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Postby Rosenakahara » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:18 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote::rageface:

10 is my favorite. Best love story in gaming. The laugh scene never even stood out to me and the fact that so many people glommed on to it continues to mystify me; what about the other 49.9 hours of the game? The emotionally evocative storytelling? The fantastic voice-acting of Auron and Wakka? The brotherly relationship that develops between Tidus and Wakka, and the reasons why, and the relationship between Tidus and Yuna? The way we felt when Tidus and Yuna had their scene, especially in the context of what we just learned? The themes of the story? The various revelations about the plot that bolstered its emotions so successfully? No other game, let alone a Final Fantasy one, made me feel as much as this one did. When my dog died, this was the game I played to cheer myself up. It has a special place in me that I'll take to my grave.

(And I actually found the laugh scene endearing. It was one of their many little shared moments that did a lot to build their relationship.)

Everything after that has failed to strike even half the same fire, though. 13 was better than 12, sure, but there was still a fundamental distance between it and me that we just couldn't close. 13-2 is proving thus far to be better still, more emotionally engaging, but still nowhere near 10's level.

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Postby Blue Monday » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:42 am

FF10 cops a lot of flack solely because it took away the world map free roaming aspects found in all the earlier instalments, turning the series instead to more linear, storybooks filled to the brim with cutscenes. From my experience 10 is usually the favourite of people as it was their first FF game, its rise to prominence boosted in the early days of the PS2. I quite liked it, athough I put 6-9 well above it in rank personally.

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Postby Monk Ed » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:09 am

View Original PostBlue Monday wrote:From my experience 10 is usually the favourite of people as it was their first FF game

Count me among the exceptions to that rule, then, because it was my fifth. Back when I first played it I did miss the world map but that didn't have an especially strong impact on my appreciation of it. Although, it actually wasn't even my favorite at first try; 7 remained my favorite even after I beat 10 for the first time. It wasn't until years later that I realized 10 had snuck its way into a more central place in my heart.

The quoted portion reminds me of something, and not something I'm saying you're saying (especially not the way I'm about to say it), but, I think any claim that "People only like X/Y/Z because it was their first" (which I hear often about all kinds of things and is related to the topic which is why I'm about to go on about it) goes both ways. The person saying it (at least the way I just put it) is obviously trying to dismiss their target's opinion, when in fact the argument goes both ways: one could argue that anyone who doesn't like X/Y/Z as their favorite only does so because they couldn't view it objectively after having their expectations set inappropriately by their experiences with earlier entries. Maybe that's even what happened to me and is why I didn't think I liked 10 better than 7 until years later when I was able to view it in its own context rather than comparing it to any other game. And this is not to say "Oh so what that means is that it only looks good until you start comparing it to its peers and find it lacking by comparison", no, because in fact what happened is I stopped viewing 10 as "missing" anything had by previous games and began to see why it was "missing" those parts, to see the merits of what it had that previous entries didn't and why it didn't need what it was "missing" given what it was trying to do. 10 didn't need a world map (or whatever else) and wouldn't have benefited from one.
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Postby Rosenakahara » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:12 am

^ This.

Also to add onto this, 6 was my first final fantasy, i love that game a lot but 10 still wins to me.
The way 10 is designed lends itself more to the lack of an open world, i don't hate 13 because that game has no world map, i hate that game because its badly designed and the story is laughable (though still better than lightning returns)
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Postby Monk Ed » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:34 am

Re: Megaman X.

Megaman X4 was my favorite in its time. With the introduction of Zero as a full-time playable character, it finally gave what long-time fans had been itching for since the first game. After X3 gave us just a taste, X4 knocked it out of the park with an extremely well-thought-out implementation of the character, made all the more relevant as a counterpart to X by his differentiation from him. As if that wasn't enough, it even gave Zero his own completely separate story (in which X does not even appear!) with such greater emotional involvement than X's that X's practically served the role of jobber in making Zero's seem that much more awesome. And as if that wasn't enough, the game was loaded with its more than fair share of wonderfully animated cutscenes that brought the X world to life (especially Zero's history) like never before. No other game in the series had done it before and none would do it again. The historical fight scene between Zero and Sigma remains in a special place in my brain; the way Sigma was so completely kicking Zero's ass until that one turnaround followed by one final turnaround at the end was just so interesting to my young brain, when the far lazier and more predictable way it could have gone would have been to just have Zero kick Sigma's ass from the start until a lucky break. It was an interesting way to make both of them look badass in their own ways that were appropriate to their characters at the time. The fight alone told a story, and that's usually pretty hard for any kind of action sequence to do.

But even though subsequent X games on the PS1 fell in objective measures of quality (e.g. lack of cutscenes, reduced emotional weight because what could possibly compare to the story of Iris) I found myself enjoying at least X6 despite my expectations. I thought the different armors were just plain cool, and I felt like the good complexity of the series had reached its peak in that game with that concept. It's with 7 that I feel the series truly started downhill in all departments, and to me Axl is just a plain non-entity I can barely remember even after beating both X7 and X8.
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Postby ElMariachi » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:15 am

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:Assassin's Creed too. While the historical events are still fun, the latest installment (Unity) really makes me wonder if they've just given up on the modern day events.

That's probably because most of the criticism since AC2 was about how the present day plot wasn't very interesting compared to the historical plot, especially once the First Civilization guys showed up. The missions where you play Desmond in AC3 was their last ditch effort to make it more interesting, but it still failed, so they concentrated on the historical events.
The problem with the present day is that to make it interesting, they will have to make a whole game about it, since the gap in gameplay between historical and present day periods is too wide to make a 2-in-1 game (game mechanisms to use swords won't serve much in present day, and on the hand modern firearms and vehicles don't have any counterparts in any time period earlier than WWI)
In fact, I'm sure that Watch Dogs was Ubisoft's attempt to make an Assassin's Creed in the modern era without having to admit it.


View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:The Assassins vs Templars really seemed like window dressing for bigger events (Spoilers if I say anymore) that have had no continuation, let alone any resolution. Uh. :|

I think that it's the point: all of their conflict history boils down to an endless cycle of one faction taking control of a region or country, then losing it to the other faction, spending some time at the brink of collapse, then successfully regrouping behind a leader and retaking all the territory, rinse and repeat. The Ezio Trilogy (AC2, Brotherhood and Revelation) was the Assassins at the brink of collapse successfully regrouping behind Ezio as a leader and retaking Italy then most of the Mediterranean from the Templars, the North American Trilogy (AC3, Black Flag and Rogue) have two of these cycles: Black Flag is the Assassins taking the Caribbean Islands and the 13 Colonies from the Templars, the beginning of AC3 and Rogue is the Templars retaking everything behind Haytham as the leader, and the second half of AC3 is the Assassins retaking again control of the 13 Colonies from the Templars by rallying behind Connor. (and then completely failing to establish their influence, letting the newly created USA do as they please and steal all the lands of the Indians...)

The worst being that while in AC1 they were two factions influencing events for ideological reasons, to reach peace the way they think is right (control for the Templars, liberty for the Assassins), as time passed it degenerated into a turf war of worldly proportion where most of each faction actions were almost exclusively to capture and/or secure their hold in a region of the world and prevent the other camp from taking it from them, most of the time without even realizing the consequences of what they were doing: the Assassin supported the pirates to gain influence on the New World and ended with the Golden Age of Piracy where pirates roamed the seas and attacked whoever they pleased, the French Revolution was used by two different currents among the Templars to settle their differences once and for all and ended with everyone's head at the end of a spike...

And I think that was intentional from the creators: first the Assassins and Templars were agents of influence and progress for the world, but got so warped in their war against each other that they ended almost as a cancer that can do as much harm as good (and more than once ended doing more harm that good), I really don't think that the growing emphasis on how Assassins and Templars aren't that different and how their schemes tends to slip more and more out of control as we advance in the time periods is a coincidence.
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Postby robersora » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:52 am

The only game series I've really played is Final Fantasy. 10 was my first, I had a really good time with it; except for the soap opera moments, those parts was really awful. Still, I don't get the hate. I liked X-2 more, due to it's humour and especially due to it's battle-mechanics, which were so much fun. 12 is still the best instalment though. I really loved the exploration-factor, even if the story suddenly imploded after Bhujerba. But I don't play a game solely for its story, so that's ok with me. Then came 13 and it was a disaster; and Squenix just didn't stop with this fucktard of awfulness. They managed to correct most of the mistakes with the third part, but by then nobody cared any more anyways. Also, it reminded me to much of a worse version of Majora's Mask, and why should I play the rip-off of the best game ever? Then there was also the first version of XIV, which was extremely shitty as well. Though I don't play MMORPGs, so I don't really know.

So yeah, Final Fantasy was lying on it's death bed.

But it seems, they slowly get their act together. They managed to save FFXIV and it seems like they can make a good game out of FFXV. Only time will tell, but I hope, they manage to revive Final Fantasy.
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Postby Monk Ed » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:07 am

View Original Postrobersora wrote:So yeah, Final Fantasy was lying on it's death bed.

:uhh: Everybody seems to agree that Final Fantasy is/was on its death bed but nobody seems to agree on why.

I mean you just compared Lightning Returns to Majora's Mask which is one of my favorite games of all time and which I like over OoT severalfold. Yet considering that I've never heard a positive word about Lightning Returns which I preordered and paid full money for to get the bonus and because a preview of it that I read in Game Informer made it sound shockingly epic and I was convinced that it was going to be a huge event that I would want to experience while it was new and hot I'm probably going to hate it but for completely different reasons from what you've described! :lol:
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Postby IronEvangelion » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:51 pm

Story was the main weak point of Lightning Returns, but everything else about it was pretty great, especially the battle system. It ended up being my favorite game of the XIII trilogy by a wide margin, and actually wound up in my top 5 favorite FF games (and I've played all of them except for III and XIV). It fixed most of what I thought was wrong with XIII and XIII-2, including bringing back the world map for the first time since FFIX. Once you complete the quests to unlock all the road gates you can travel from one end of the map to the other, including towns, with no load time. Too bad you have to re-unlock them on each playthrough.
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Postby NemZ » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:06 pm

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote::uhh: Everybody seems to agree that Final Fantasy is/was on its death bed but nobody seems to agree on why.


For me, I'm just an old-schooler. I personally think 4 was the best in the series with 6 and 5 running just behind (Tactics is it's own thing). From 7 forward they started getting a little too wild with all the crazy 'systems' (hell, 6 to some extent does as well).
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Postby soul.assassin » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:21 pm

View Original PostEvangelionGodMode wrote:Hate to be that guy but after MW2 the COD franchise has just been repetitive multiplayer and mediocre storytelling. I won't lie I liked the story of BO2. But ghost and advanced warfare suffers from being .too repetitive and too different at the same time as well as lazy writing from the 3 developers. Also any resident evil outbreak fans out there?


Only Black Ops 2 stood out because of the characters and their skeletons in the closet -- also, multiple endings.

I don't know but it's a mixed bag if we mention the Elder Scrolls series; it's of no surprise that long-time fans prefer Morrowind for a lot of reasons, and that for them Skyrim was stooping down to the console crowd, yet that game was the most modded ever despite being riddled with some bugs.

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:29 am

View Original Postsoul.assassin wrote:I don't know but it's a mixed bag if we mention the Elder Scrolls series; it's of no surprise that long-time fans prefer Morrowind for a lot of reasons, and that for them Skyrim was stooping down to the console crowd, yet that game was the most modded ever despite being riddled with some bugs.


Well, that's because it's easy to mod the game and since it's open-world there is a vast amount of possibilities that people can get from modding it (weapons, characters, sidequests, etc.). Also the bugs and potential sense of incompleteness seems to encourage people to come up with their own material to fix bugs and fill in the gaps.

While I guess you could say Elder Scrolls has gotten worse over time, Skyrim is still light years ahead of whatever the latest iteration of CoD is.

Speaking of game franchises that are great but have been weakened I guess you could throw in Dark Souls; I personally believe that the games are roughly equal based on their various merits, but a lot of people seem to prefer Dark Souls 1 or Demons' Souls over Dark Souls II.
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Postby Giji Shinka » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:41 am

^I'd say that Bloodborne is the game that will finally show signs of Souls series becoming weakened.

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Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi series were really fun to play, but everything after those games has been painfully mediocre or below.
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Postby EvangelionGodMode » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:34 am

^Agreed. Especially their recent abominations dbz Kinect and dbz ultimate tenkachi. My favorite was always budokai 3, so I was thankful for the hd remake. The only thing I disliked about it was the replacement of some old themes off budokai 3 and the exclusion of budokai 2. I enjoyed the board game like story mode
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Postby Monk Ed » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:37 am

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:Speaking of game franchises that are great but have been weakened I guess you could throw in Dark Souls; I personally believe that the games are roughly equal based on their various merits, but a lot of people seem to prefer Dark Souls 1 or Demons' Souls over Dark Souls II.

Count me among the exceptions then, because as I've chronicled in the appropriate thread I'm having a much better time with Dark Souls 2 than I did with either of the other two, and I've played them in order of release. In particular I'm really getting a kick out of the boss fights, and I've actually taken quite a shine to the max health degradation mechanic (when moderated by the Ring of Binding, peace be upon its name). Even certain little things that I've heard people niggle about like the pressing LS to jump thing, I think are improvements. (I do miss being able to slide down ladders though.)
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Postby Giji Shinka » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:14 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:I do miss being able to slide down ladders though.

You still can, you need to press B/circle and down at the same time in order to slide down ladders.
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Postby Monk Ed » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:18 am

View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:You still can, you need to press B/circle and down at the same time in order to slide down ladders.

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Postby Giji Shinka » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:19 am

You can also "sprint" while you're using a ladder, hold B/circle and press up.
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Postby Stan » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:19 am

The Naruto Ultimate Ninja games. When they were 2D on the PS2 it was fine, ever since they became 3D as Storm games on PS3 they went to shit.

Also FF every since X. Thankfully XV is looking better

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:03 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:PRAISE THE SUN!


Yes, if there's one thing DS2 does better it's traversing ladders.
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