Why are Rei and Asuka so physically stronger than Shinji?

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Why are Rei and Asuka so physically stronger than Shinji?

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Postby EmperorDog » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:45 pm

Why are Rei and Asuka so physically stronger than Shinji?
I see to possibilitiies.
1: because toned bodies sell better.
2: Because they're soldiers, so they need to work out, and they had a long time to do that, unlike Shinji. Also, Gendo may had engineered Rei to be stronger too.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:58 pm

Shinji seems to be a bit of a late bloomer. Prepubescent boys aren't noted for their strength.

He's obviously a late bloomer, as I could bend rocks and saw logs with my beard when I was 14.
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Postby Fireball » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:58 pm

He doesn't lift

Girls tend to grow faster than boys

Character design goes its way to underline how fragile Shinji is physically as mentally
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Postby UrsusArctos » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:23 pm

All of them are fourteen, but looking at them, one would think they were nine or ten at the most. They're way undersized. And there's no evidence that Shinji is weaker than Asuka or Rei.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:57 pm

Apparent age in NGE depends a lot on which animation studio is animating the bulk of the shots for that episode. For consistency's sake, one should refer to Sadamoto's character design model sheets drawn up for NGE back in the early 90's.

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Postby SEELE-01 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:07 pm

Press F5 on my memory please...

When is it stated that Rei and/or Asuka are physically stronger than Shinji?
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:59 pm

They're just referring to their body mass compared to Shinji's. Really, though, it's just their lower body mass that is greeter than Shinji's. (That's just how females develop as they grow older.) Their upper body mass seems relatively similar to Shinji's, who should be growing his out sooner or later is we were allowed to see the character grow older.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:05 am

It's also important to note that the female pilots are mostly drawn as 3/4 scale adults, while Shinji is not.
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Postby Lavinius » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:26 am

Because they're sexy girls with nice bodies.
Also all the Bene Gesserit biological metaphysics stuff comes into play. The state of their bodies is with the Evangelion's and Eva treats the soul and body in an Aristotlean way. So of course Nerv should have asked that they were fit.
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Postby Gorbatschow » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:36 am

They're psychologically stronger than Shinji or at least are superior in his eyes. He is generally a rather submissive and introverted character and not really the person to revolt against suppression (all ahead Asuka) of any kind and rather indulge.

The character design (fragile, weak) could also be that way to show his psychological condition better.

And we see in EoE that he is physically at least as strong as Asuka.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:05 pm

If we wanted to assume that the girls were stronger than Shinji, we could chalk it up to the fact that Asuka and Rei have been training and Shinji is a total greenhorn.

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Postby Rodeo » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:06 pm

What are you getting this information? Anyway it's no secret that Shinji is a total pussy, still, I bet he's more physically fit than Rei who obviously isn't the healthiest kid in the world. He's clearly weaker than Asuka though, she's a straight A student who excels at everything including sports. There's even a scene in the manga where she beats up a bunch of delinquents using her profound mastery of the martial arts.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:42 pm

View Original PostRodeo wrote: Anyway it's no secret that Shinji is a total pussy

Shamshell, Gaghiel, Sahaquiel and Zeruel want to disagree. And Asuka when Shinji saved her from the volcano.

As for the manga, that scene was completely unrealistic : it's impossible for a thin girl like her to throw a muscled adult like that, unless she was genetically augmented with EVA DNA.


Anyway, there isn't any scenes in the show where it's shown that Shinji is physically weaker than either Asuka or Rei.
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Postby CJD » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:47 pm

View Original PostGorbatschow wrote:They're psychologically stronger than Shinji or at least are superior in his eyes.


They're definitely not that much stronger than him, that's for sure. Rei maybe, but not Asuka. She lasts longer before the break, yes, but her fall is far greater than any of Shinji's as consequence. Shinji bets small and loses small, but he always has chips to play. Asuka puts it all on Red.
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Postby Gorbatschow » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:57 pm

View Original PostCJD wrote:They're definitely not that much stronger than him, that's for sure. Rei maybe, but not Asuka. She lasts longer before the break, yes, but her fall is far greater than any of Shinji's as consequence. Shinji bets small and loses small, but he always has chips to play. Asuka puts it all on Red.


I guess I've phrased it wrong. They seem way more stable, confident and have generally built up a huge wall of attitudes around them to protect their problems, while Shinji is completely vulnerable. They seem stronger.
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Postby Jayfive » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:28 pm

Asuka and Rei have been training with NERV for a period of time. Shinji was literally thrown straight in an Eva.

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Postby NemZ » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:45 pm

EmperorDog wrote:Why are Rei and Asuka so physically stronger than Shinji?


What gives you the idea that they are? :|
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Postby Gorbatschow » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:55 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:What gives you the idea that they are? :|


Especially Asuka appears to be superior to Shinji in terms of self-assurance and fortitude, furthermore we have a lot of scene in which she "overruns" him. These scenes let it appear that ,at least Asuka, is stronger than Shinji, although we never see her actually being physically stronger than Shinji, it's quite the reverse, we even see Shinji lifting up Asuka.

I could understand If someone would assume Asuka is stronger than Shinji, despite we don't see it in the show, , caused by her attitudes, but I don't see why Rei should seems stronger either.
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Postby NemZ » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:16 pm

View Original PostGorbatschow wrote:Especially Asuka appears to be superior to Shinji in terms of self-assurance and fortitude


that isn't physcial, nor 'stronger'. and also no, she isn't... she projects such an attitude but is every bit as self-depricating as he is in private and crumbles much faster when the pressure is on.

furthermore we have a lot of scene in which she "overruns" him.


because Shinji doesn't defend himself in such matters, preferrring to try appologies and suplication. If he actually did fight back (and assuming this isn't manga!Asuka) I suspect she would be in for a rude suprise.
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Postby Gorbatschow » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:50 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:that isn't physcial, nor 'stronger'. and also no, she isn't... she projects such an attitude but is every bit as self-depricating as he is in private and crumbles much faster when the pressure is on.



because Shinji doesn't defend himself in such matters, preferrring to try appologies and suplication. If he actually did fight back (and assuming this isn't manga!Asuka) I suspect she would be in for a rude suprise.


I guess I phrased it wrong, these are reasons why she seems stronger than Shinji. In fact she probably isn't.
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