"Evangelion is a Mindfuck."
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but that is what made it enjoyable.
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"Insecurity", surely. (And I didn't think NGE was lacking in the sex hormones department, especially.)
On topic: Evangelion has most certainly fucked with my mind, and so I qualify it as a "mindfuck". Simple enough, right?
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Honestly, it depends on your definition of "mindfuck." Will Evangelion make you shit your brains out your ears like you'd just seen a shoggoth? Probably not. Can it be upsetting? Definitely.
A primary example would be the full version of Asuka being mentally assaulted by the Angel Arael. A singularly discomforting and harrowing scene. It's probably one of the most awful moments in the entire series, though End of Evangelion cheerfully competes.
A primary example would be the full version of Asuka being mentally assaulted by the Angel Arael. A singularly discomforting and harrowing scene. It's probably one of the most awful moments in the entire series, though End of Evangelion cheerfully competes.
NemZ wrote:Perhaps there are different working definitions of 'mindfuck' at play here? I was thinking of something overwhelming, disorienting and generally leaving you with a feeling of "WTF did I just watch?"(... like NGE at it's weirdest such as inside Lilliel and EoTV) rather than something that is deeply puzzling in a lingering fashion.
That's exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through. I always thought that when people said Eva was a mindfuck, they meant it was unsettling and overwhelming to watch.
Although in terms of the "confusing" definition, I was a bit perplexed by the specifics of NERV's secrets and the origin/identity of the EVAs and Angels when I first watched the series. But then again, I was thirteen.
Did you like the psychological fuckery in NGE?
I was talking to buds and being a guy who likes the original of a franchise I'm much more preferential to it then the new one in Rebuild. Avoid potshots at it in this thread. So what'd you guys think of it?
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The show to me was not much of a mind fuck, but more of a character study. The only exception being end of eva which was purposely a mind fuck.
The reputation that the show gets sprouts from a misunderstanding of the final episodes.
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Perhaps calling Eva an utterly mindfucking series is an overstatement. There are some things there that you really shouldn't deeply analyze because 1) you're just willingly jumping into a black hole and 2) even Anno said some things there are just plain bullshit (i.e. doesn't have a deeper meaning at all). However, I maintain that it still is a 'mindfuck' by definition.
A mindfuck, I think, is something that makes you think, period. It may shake your previous beliefs, it may teach you something new, or it may make you speculate on a particular topic. Eva definitely made me think and speculate, but there are things in there that didn't need much speculation, such as the Christianity references.
I guess it all boils down to if something makes you go "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?" then you can call it a mindfuck. It doesn't mean that you can't completely untangle or comprehend all its ~mysteries.
TL;DR I think it is.
A mindfuck, I think, is something that makes you think, period. It may shake your previous beliefs, it may teach you something new, or it may make you speculate on a particular topic. Eva definitely made me think and speculate, but there are things in there that didn't need much speculation, such as the Christianity references.
I guess it all boils down to if something makes you go "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?" then you can call it a mindfuck. It doesn't mean that you can't completely untangle or comprehend all its ~mysteries.
TL;DR I think it is.
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Absolutely could not have said it better myself. What people often don't realize is how easy most entertainment is to digest. It may be well done, and even profound. But it is not often that you stumble across something that makes you think on such large and yet simultaneously personal scale. After I finished the series, I distinctly remember laying down outside and looking at the stars (as cliche as that is) and just being blown away by the duality of the universe--how little we matter, but at the same time, how parallel the big picture is to our internal struggle for understanding. Evangelion literally changed my life. I guess that’s what people mean when they call it a “mindfuck”. Not every show leaves you thinking differently once you finish it.
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I hear ya. For me it's more just staring at some random wall and going, 'Oh. Ok.'
I guess some people wouldn't consider Eva a 'mindfuck' since it doesn't befuddle them for a long time, that eventually they 'get' it. Then again, people like complicating stuff, so there.
In any case, it's just easier to say that Eva is one, since it will confuse you at the beginning. /two cents
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shiun wrote:Perhaps calling Eva an utterly mindfucking series is an overstatement. There are some things there that you really shouldn't deeply analyze because 1) you're just willingly jumping into a black hole and 2) even Anno said some things there are just plain bullshit (i.e. doesn't have a deeper meaning at all). However, I maintain that it still is a 'mindfuck' by definition.
A mindfuck, I think, is something that makes you think, period. It may shake your previous beliefs, it may teach you something new, or it may make you speculate on a particular topic. Eva definitely made me think and speculate, but there are things in there that didn't need much speculation, such as the Christianity references.
I guess it all boils down to if something makes you go "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?" then you can call it a mindfuck. It doesn't mean that you can't completely untangle or comprehend all its ~mysteries.
TL;DR I think it is.
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