I'm just saying, meek and obedient ain't all that great if it hurts people. Shinji hurt a lot more people than Asuka did, so whose approach really has more merit?
That does not mean viewer should be endeared by her behaviour or not finding her likeable is somehow the viewer's fault as symbv seemed to imply in one of the earlier posts because "characters were made to be likable" on purpose (though I think this assertion is at odds with Anno's own comments on characters and what he had in mind with them as well as things said by other staff members like eg. Shinji's dialogue being tuned down to something even less heroic after Tsurumaki notes "Anno isn't much of a hero either").
I agree the characters weren't meant to be likable. Heck, Rei was meant to be creepy, and we see how that turned out (I think she is, but that seems to be a minority opinion).
It's entirely legit to find her personality and character off-putting, freudian excuses be damned, is what I'm saying. Smoothing over her every personality crank (and she has many as Eva cast is collection of fuck ups) with the iron of "her mama killing herself made her do it shoo ga nai" is not to my liking.
I don't think anyone's really doing that, though. It's more "she's not really that bitchy" and "most people would react that way given the circumstances" and "but he's a FUCKING DOORMAT, what do you expect???"
I'm not saying she should be hated or doesn't deserve empathy (she most certainly does and tons of it, I find most instances of "character hating" result of insensitivity from viewer's part anyway).
Fair enough.
I'm not saying it's in-your-face-dislike. It's displeasure hidden behind nice smiles and all as Asuka is present. I'm not saying they *hate* Asuka or that she has war with them, I'm just saying the obvious that she doesn't have particularly warm relationship with any of them beside Hikari and they're just classmates. The other girls, as far as Asuka goes, are mostly just indifferent but with jealousy mixed in. I wouldn't want to be in a room with them when Asuka is away: the discussion and rumourmongering can get mean quickly.
Fair point, but I'll note they do that with everyone. Teenage girls are the meanest species on the planet.
There's not much to go by and I'm going by what we get. It's the contrary opinion that has nothing to back itself on.
What is that opinion supposed to be again? You've watered down your original argument so much by this point that I'm not really sure what you're claiming.
asking a girl's friend for help like that is pretty common with teenagers and seemingly especially so in Japan, even today. He might just be shy too and I certainly didn't see any unusual degree of "pressuring" Asuka into the date.
He was a med student asking Kodama to ask her sister to set him up on a date with a 13-year-old. That's pretty fuckin' skeevy dude. I mean, I know different countries structure their education systems differently, but I can't think of one wherein that match is even close to age-appropriate.
But anyway, yes, it was rude, but hardly awful. Certainly not deserving of hate or a bitchy rep.