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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:35 pm

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:57 pm

Another opportunity would be when reconstituted from oversynching.
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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:25 am

^
That remember me a story I skimmed some time ago, where it was Yui who emerged from the the post-Zeruel salvage operation, to Gendo's complete delight... until it's revealed that it's Shinji in Yui's body who actually emerged, to Gendo's great dismay! :lol:
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Postby CommodoreNemo » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:37 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:^
That remember me a story I skimmed some time ago, where it was Yui who emerged from the the post-Zeruel salvage operation, to Gendo's complete delight... until it's revealed that it's Shinji in Yui's body who actually emerged, to Gendo's great dismay! :lol:

Interesting, another option would be to return Shinji's soul/mind wrapped in Yui's body(basically Unit 01 lost the "template" for Shinji's body and substituted it with the one for Yui, just because things just weren't screwy enough in the first place :wink:

Also, do you have a name and/or link?

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Another opportunity would be when reconstituted from oversynching.

You mean basically Unit 01 turning him into a girl as I proposed previously.
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Postby Dartz » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:46 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Another opportunity would be when reconstituted from oversynching.


Stick a Rei-clone in there and force the soul to clamp to it rather than trying to reform the full body?
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Postby CommodoreNemo » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:51 am

View Original PostDartz wrote:Stick a Rei-clone in there and force the soul to clamp to it rather than trying to reform the full body?

This, less screwy than Shinji in Yui's body though, still it could be very interesting :D
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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:10 am

View Original PostCommodoreNemo wrote:Also, do you have a name and/or link?

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Postby MAI 742 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:25 pm

There's potential for comedy, but I don't see how it would fix anything in itself - though it would create problems, of course. I suppose a sex-change could make one or more characters better if it led to situations that would actually help them to resolve their issues.

Like, say, people talking more - to the point where they might actually discuss something important to them.
Or higher levels of sexual frustration resulting in a drive to socialise more...? (then again, chemical castration/libido-suppressors...?)
Embarrassing/humiliating incidents, and covering/damage control for them revealing the concern/care of others...?

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I did get the feeeling when I splurged this fic out a month or so ago that we were a bit overdue for discussing this kind of thing.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9894533/1/Hilarity-and-Good-Times-For-All :uhh:
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:46 pm

If it was only Shinji getting gender bent (as in an AU where he was born a she). How would that effect her relationship with Kaworu? Would she be distant from him, infatuated, genuinely in love?

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Postby amitakartok » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:23 pm

In love, because...
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Postby Ray » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:28 am

Someone, please make this Fanfic a reality. If it exists already please give me a link.

Figures, Canon Shinji doesn't get any happiness not even a fleeting glimpse. At least Fem Shin got a kiss.

How would female Shinji react to his inevitable betrayal however? Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I suppose it would depend on how deep their relationship went.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:40 am

Someone should try turning that into a fic in the vein of Twilight. Fem-Shinji is the clumsy pilot of Eva-01 and Kaworu is the sparkly, beautiful Angel who comes over to be her coach. And together, they fall in love and create an angel/lilin hybrid that holds the future of mankind.

All someone needs to do is change a few names, publish that, and they'll be the next global publishing sensation! E.L. James managed to turn a Twilight fanfic into a legend in 50 Shades of Grey, why can't we do the same with Evangelion? (Oh, 50 Shades of Kaworu's Light Grey Hair...that works!:mwahaha:)
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Postby amitakartok » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:02 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Someone, please make this Fanfic a reality.


I do have an idea: Kaworu isn't a replacement pilot for Asuka but he's the one sent alongside Unit 02 in the first place. Possible explanation could be that Asuka failed to get her shit together after Kyoko's death and got replaced. It also allowed SEELE to take a more direct role in shaping events by having an inside man right from the beginning.

How would female Shinji react to his inevitable betrayal however?


She's scream like a banshee but when she's in a position to off him, she finds herself flat-out incapable of killing him. With no way of doing what he was supposed to do, Kaworu peacefully turns himself over to NERV who vivisect him for research, all the while Shinji is angsting in the locker room's shower.

UrsusArctos wrote:Someone should try turning that into a fic in the vein of Twilight. Fem-Shinji is the clumsy pilot of Eva-01 and Kaworu is the sparkly, beautiful Angel who comes over to be her coach. And together, they fall in love and create an angel/lilin hybrid that holds the future of mankind.


Oh hell NO. :shoot2kill:
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Postby Ray » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:45 pm

Why does every supernatural romance have to be compared to . . . That? There ought to be a Godwin's law about referring to Twilight.

No Asuka? Aw man. . .

If Kaworu knocked her up, Seele would probably use their baby to create the Eva-Verses equivalent of the Anti-Christ or some other crazy messed up plot device to cause instrumentality.

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Postby CommodoreNemo » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:05 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Why does every supernatural romance have to be compared to . . . That? There ought to be a Godwin's law about referring to Twilight.

No Asuka? Aw man. . .

If Kaworu knocked her up, Seele would probably use their baby to create the Eva-Verses equivalent of the Anti-Christ or some other crazy messed up plot device to cause instrumentality.


before Twilight there was this thing called Romeo and Juliet, I am told it was somewhat popular, I guess you haven't heard about it.:D;)
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Postby amitakartok » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:07 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:No Asuka? Aw man. . .


I don't have anything against her, I just don't see how she would come into the picture as anything but a minor character. If it is a girl!Shinji/Kaworu fic, Asuka is irrelevant in the larger scheme of things as Kaworu is not the kind of guy who would go after multiple girls at the same time; if Asuka were to try and claim Kaworu for herself, Kaworu would just plain tell her that he can't be what she wants him to be. I think there's been more than enough depictions of Asuka as a crazed yandere, let's not make another.
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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:31 pm

View Original Postamitakartok wrote:I do have an idea: Kaworu isn't a replacement pilot for Asuka but he's the one sent alongside Unit 02 in the first place. Possible explanation could be that Asuka failed to get her shit together after Kyoko's death and got replaced. It also allowed SEELE to take a more direct role in shaping events by having an inside man right from the beginning.


Asuka enters this story late enough and it's a bad idea to shove her entry any later. It would ruin things entirely. And with Shinji and Kaworu being so uncannily close together and Kaworu's suspiciously rad piloting skills, things would start to get messed up pretty fast. I see Kaworu sacrificing himself for Shinji and for mankind, but not as a test subject.

Oh hell NO. :shoot2kill:

:kaos_akuma: KE KE KE KE KE KE!!!

Maybe there should be a Godwin's law against referring to Twilight, but the trouble is that Twilight clones, Hunger Games clones and Twilight/Hunger Games hybrids are on a rampage and there's no stopping them. Romeo and Juliet with all of its teenage obsessive infatuation in Shakespearean verse can barely compare with these monstrosities. There was an unholy lot of potential for that kind of thing given Kaworu's angelic nature.

Played straight, it would just be another Shoujo romance. Unless you're doing an old-fashioned melodrama like Oniisama E with the Shinjiko x Kaworu relationship, in which case that kind of thing might be worth looking at for nostalgia's sake.
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Postby amitakartok » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:21 pm

View Original PostUrsusArctos wrote:I see Kaworu sacrificing himself for Shinji and for mankind, but not as a test subject.


Wasn't by choice on his part. He surrendered, yes; but he had no prior knowledge that NERV is going to vivisect him without anesthetics to find out what makes him tick. Not that he really minds.

Asuka enters this story late enough and it's a bad idea to shove her entry any later. It would ruin things entirely.


Why? What's the point of her being in the story? If we take out the options of her being the losing edge of a love triangle or one half of the beta couple, she rapidly becomes insignificant for the plot.

You can call me shortsighted if you want, it's not far from the truth. I absolutely suck at shipping for shipping's sake, no matter who I'm writing about.
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Postby Ray » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:40 pm

I don't have anything against Shojo, that is of course assuming its Good. As in the characters have actual personality instead of being blank dull self inserts.

Toradora's a good example of a romance manga done right, though I'm not sure how Evas darker moments would mesh with the tone of a romantic comedy.

I assume Kensuke and Touji would hang out with Kaworu (how would he react to their shenanigans)? Would Toji ask Shinjiki out? Would Kaworu and Toji get into a fight over it? Would Hikari be best friends with Shinjiki instead of Touji and Kensuke?

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Postby amitakartok » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:31 am

Depends. I like to portray girl!Shinji (it's a gender-neutral name so no need to change it) as a tomboy who buddies with Toji and Kensuke instead of other girls, if only to defy the usual expectations of her being a frail and emotionally vulnerable flower. In my head, girl!Shinji is flat-chested, wears no jewelry or girlish/revealing clothes and is pretty much the plainest plain girl you can meet. However, I do admit that she's very easy to sexualize; I myself wrote a short story where boy!Asuka has a quite explicit wet dream about her, after all.

I don't think Toji would date Shinji; more like keep an eye on her suitors to see if anyone tries to use her.

Since you guys took issue with Asuka getting sidelined, I have an alternate idea: plot proceeds normally until the preparations for Israfel Round Two where, instead of Asuka getting pissed and running out of the apartment, Shinji is the one who runs away after Asuka lets loose a more scathing than usual insult. As she's moping in a park, Kaworu walks up to her and strikes up a conversation; SEELE didn't specifically forbid him from coming to the city so early and they don't really care what he does in his free time as long as he still agrees to go ahead with their plans, hence why he's here. Mind you, he doesn't join NERV yet but keeps popping up every now and then.
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