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Postby Oz » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:52 am

I also saw Argo (with Xard). A magnificently executed thriller that's void of anything genuinely interesting beyond its polished surface.

View Original PostTrajan wrote:People always seem defensive towards the Bond they grew up with

I grew up with Brosnan and Moore, but I ended up disliking these two the most. Especially Brosnan.

Since we are ranking Bond films, here's my list I made back when I watched all Bond films within a month.

God Tier
From Russia with Love
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Skyfall
GoldenEye

Excellent Tier
Casino Royale
The Living Daylights
Goldfinger
The Man with the Golden Gun
The Spy Who Loved Me
Tomorrow Never Dies
You Only Live Twice
Dr. No

OK Tier
For Your Eyes Only
Diamonds Are Forever
Thunderball

Bad Tier
Quantum of Solace
License to Kill
Octopussy
Live and Let Die

Good God, What the Fuck Is This Shit Tier
A View to a Kill
The World Is Not Enough
Moonraker
Die Another Day
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Postby Fireball » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:30 am

I liked Timothy Dalton the most. He had the perfect balance between stone-cold killer and British wit, something I just miss from Craig. Brosnan was great when he wasn't put into a clown movie.
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Postby Oz » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:46 am

As far as individual performances go (in contrast to evaluating all Bond performances) I'm a fan of Lazenby. He is simply perfect for On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
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Postby pwhodges » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:51 am

Lazenby's always had poor press for his Bond, right from the start. I think initially it was simply because he was the first new Bond at a time that the idea of changing actors through a long franchise (think Bond, Dr Who) had not really been thought of, and then it just stuck.
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Postby Bomby von Bombsville » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:42 am

Hong Sangsoo's Oh! Soojung a.k.a. The Virgin Stripped Bare By Her Bachelors is a masterwork of Korean cinema... and it's not even his best film, but a great film to watch to be introduced to his style. So everyone from EGF should really take some time to watch a Hong Sangsoo movie because he's really fantastic and I think some of you would really appreciate him.
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Postby Oz » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:27 pm

^ No matter how many times you say that it won't change a thing here on EGF. :lol:

Tsai Ming-liang's Walker: A new 25-minute short film from the Taiwanese master. A barefooted monk (?) walking really slowly around Taipei. It's basically symbolism a la Tsai - slowly revolving motion in long, still takes. The most obvious interpretation of the film is to point out that the "monk" (if he is even one) is out of touch with the contemporary urban life. His slowness and weirdness is juxtaposed with the noise, speed and information flood of modern life. However, it's hard to draw conclusions from this film. Are we supposed to understand something further about the "monk" (his clothing, posture, what he holds in his hands, walking style etc)? What is the point of all these juxtapositions? Tsai also lets bypassing people freely act as they want and there could even be a point hidden in that - in seeing how people react to a "walker" like this. Furthermore, what's the significance of the ending? Is this a swansong for tradition and how it is not being supported well enough?
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Postby MugwumpHasNoLiver » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:20 pm

View Original PostOz wrote:Excellent Tier
Tomorrow Never Dies

Good God, What the Fuck Is This Shit Tier
The World Is Not Enough
Die Another Day


It's obvious why GoldenEye is the best Brosnan flick, but why rate Tomorrow Never Dies so much higher than the other two? I'd consider it the most uneven and forgettable of the four. The theme song makes my ear canals weep with melancholy bliss and there's a forlorn tenderness in Bond's scenes with the newspaper tycoon’s hot wife, but after that hilariously awesome chase with the remote control car, the film slides suddenly into blandly generic 90's action movie. The chase through Saigon drags intolerably onward, despite the awesome Chinese spy character and by the time they'd made it to the invisible submarine, the damn thing was a bloated disaster. The way the film played up these media moguls conversing on their giant flat-screens and laughing manically like they were villains from a 60's Hanna Barbara cartoon was delightfully absurd, but the story could neither commit to its camp premise or aspire towards visceral realism.

The World is Not Enough had a similar problem, but nowhere near as badly. The emotional heart of the film, all the tenderness and treachery, lied in the relationship between Bond and Elektra King, so after Bond shoots her and chases her terrorist boyfriend, I'd clocked out. The final action set piece felt like an obligation to uphold. Compared to Tomorrow Never Dies, though, we're talking a difference of ten minutes of disinterest versus forty. Besides, the flick was a ton more fun gave Judy Dench a lot more to do. I was hooked from the glorious extended opening.

Honestly, Die Another Day is probably my favorite Brosnan flick after GoldenEye because it has the balls to commit to its ball-crushingly absurd premise. More importantly, it was the only Brosnan flick after GoldenEye where the pacing didn't get bogged down with gratuitous action scenes. There was enough downtime to let the drama establish itself. Yes, the drama involved diamond encrusted albinos, ice castles and some kind of magic surgery that turns Asians white, but there's quiet, subtly emotional scenes, too; like the mommy spat Bond has with Judy Dench in the deserted subway tunnel. Hell, even the abysmal title song by Madonna has grown on me. She sounds like a sexbot having a seizure and the throbbing techno beats obliterate the mood set by the strings, but I dig it for the reason I use to justify my love of all terrible pop: it sounds desperate. It sounds like someone's core persona is being shattered and they're stumbling through life in a daze unable to function. It fits with the torture and hallucinations in the opening title sequence, even if I get the same emotional reaction from shit like The Black Eyed Peas.

The flick typifies glorious excess. How can you not adore it?
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Postby Bomby von Bombsville » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:09 pm

View Original PostOz wrote:^ No matter how many times you say that it won't change a thing here on EGF. :lol:

Joke's on you, I guess. You're the ones missing out. :P
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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:06 pm

View Original PostMugwumpHasNoLiver wrote:Honestly, Die Another Day is probably my favorite Brosnan flick after GoldenEye because it has the balls to commit to its ball-crushingly absurd premise....the flick typifies glorious excess. How can you not adore it?


Cause it gets too retarded even for the Bond series. Hell, even Roger "Moonraker" Moore said that Die Another Day was way too outlandish. Honestly it feels more like a serious Austin Powers movie than a bond film.

-Bond's torture and it's emotional impact is something they never really capitalize on later in the film. Goodbye character development
-The CGI is terrible (WTF windsurfing?!!?)
-Halle Barry, while hot, her character is terrible
-The dialogue in the film gets pretty bad in spots
-Way too many references to previous films, which take me out of the movie.
-Underutilization of locations and action setpieces (except for the Jaguar/Aston carfight, i'll give the film that)
-The editing is terribly dated, what with the speed changes and use of slo-mo.

I could go on, but i'll stop here. The quality of that film hurts the series as a whole. It's the LAST film I'd choose to screen for a friend who'd never seen a bond film before.
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Postby Fireball » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:20 pm

It's pretty bad I don't think anyone is disputing that but I could get a good laugh out of it.

Quantum of Solace on the other hand is shit and boring which I found way worse.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:25 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:Quantum of Solace on the other hand is shit and boring which I found way worse.


It also had the misfortune of following one of the best films in the franchise, so there's all that high expectation that went right out the window.
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Postby Fireball » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:42 pm

Honestly not a fan of Casino Royal either.
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Postby nervshatter » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:53 pm

I gotta admit Goldeneye will always be my favorite bond film probably because it was the first bond film I ever watched but for sure its the best Brosnan bond film.

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Postby Oz » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:50 am

@Muggy: Based on what I can remember of the films and the time when I made that list, I rated Tomorrow Never Knows highly because on its own terms it's a well executed and entertaining action film. While the writing on its own isn't that special - only stands out for its fairly memorable characters (like Michelle Yeoh's). The World Is Not Enough is just too much silliness in terms of both action and drama. It was the Bond film I watched the most as a kid and even back then I found it ridiculous. I have never had a soft spot for Elektra and I consider her a failure in writing. Die Another Day is even much worse than that precisely because it is "just" outlandish, not exactly campy fun for me.
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Postby tomrule123 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:01 am

David Lynch's "Dune".
Still haven't read the book yet. There were a few good moments, but sadly, this movie is, at times, a mess. There were things that were either short or just out-of-nowhere. The moments that were good are good, like the visual effects, the settings, the casting and their performances. Yet... I can't love this movie. What I will say is that, for what it is, it's okay. Though, you should read the book... so should I.

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Postby Oz » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:20 pm

Mikael Marcimain's Call Girl: If you want yourself an overblown piece of social criticism of 70's Sweden filled with corrupt, nasty authorities and excessive amount of prostitution, Call Girl will satisfy your need for that for months. My mind is quite mixed on this film. On one hand, it's executed with fairly competent direction and neat visual storytelling, but even the form suffers from problems here and there. I'm even more confused about the screenplay: while it offers a really hardhitting portrayal of a controversial subject, it's ridden with one-dimensional characters, over-the-top scenario and a clumsy as fuck narrative structure. When you think the final act of the film is beginning, I can tell you it's only the midpoint of the film and the resolution is stretched to a ridiculous length. In a way I can see why it is so since the focus of the film changes drastically, but it feels way too long for the viewer.
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Postby The Killer of Heroes » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:40 pm

View Original Posttomrule123 wrote:David Lynch's "Dune".
Still haven't read the book yet. There were a few good moments, but sadly, this movie is, at times, a mess. There were things that were either short or just out-of-nowhere. The moments that were good are good, like the visual effects, the settings, the casting and their performances. Yet... I can't love this movie. What I will say is that, for what it is, it's okay. Though, you should read the book... so should I.


I hear the book is pretty awful too actually.

Though Lynch's film had nice visuals going for it at least.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:58 pm

View Original Posttomrule123 wrote:David Lynch's "Dune".
Still haven't read the book yet. There were a few good moments, but sadly, this movie is, at times, a mess.
The film takes at least half the running time making a good visual representation of perhaps 20% of the book, and then has to check the boxes for the rest of it, and make an ending that would be comprehensible to the American audience.

The book is pretty much "Mohammed in Space, the Origin", and the secret weapon of the Atreides is in fact nothing more than superior esprit de corps. Its main claim to fame is as an early example (mid-1960s) of ecology as the science in an SF novel.
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Postby Trajan » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:03 pm

Just to add my $0.02 but I always thought Dune's reputation (in terms of the book) rested on nostalgia rather than actually being good.
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Postby Blue Monday » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:27 am

Inception: Fuck, why did it take me so long to watch this movie?

Although I thought it would be a lot more hard to follow, seeing as how everyone makes it out to be.
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