If what we're talking about is films that directly discuss philosophy then I might agree, but if what we're talking about is films dramatizing philosophical concepts then I would say it's amongst the stupidest things that could ever be said about films or art in general.Allemann wrote:As a recent viewer of the film and qualified commentator I strongly approve of this thesis.
Terrence Malick's THE TREE OF LIFE
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We're all adrift on the stormy seas of Evangelion, desperately trying to gather what flotsam can be snatched from the gale into a somewhat seaworthy interpretation so that we can at last reach the shores of reason and respite. - ObsessiveMathsFreak
Jimbo has posted enough to be considered greater than or equal to everyone, and or synonymous with the concept of 'everyone'. - Muggy
I've seen so many changeful years, / to Earth I am a stranger grown: / I wander in the ways of men, / alike unknowing and unknown: / Unheard, unpitied, unrelieved, / I bear alone my load of care; / For silent, low, on beds of dust, / Lie all that would my sorrows share. - Robert Burns' Lament for James
But it's true. Film is not medium of intellect
Oh right, you said something about Oshii making a grave error about Descartes. It's been a while since I saw the film so I'm not sure what you mean
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^ Writing as Jonathan Henderson ^
We're all adrift on the stormy seas of Evangelion, desperately trying to gather what flotsam can be snatched from the gale into a somewhat seaworthy interpretation so that we can at last reach the shores of reason and respite. - ObsessiveMathsFreak
Jimbo has posted enough to be considered greater than or equal to everyone, and or synonymous with the concept of 'everyone'. - Muggy
I've seen so many changeful years, / to Earth I am a stranger grown: / I wander in the ways of men, / alike unknowing and unknown: / Unheard, unpitied, unrelieved, / I bear alone my load of care; / For silent, low, on beds of dust, / Lie all that would my sorrows share. - Robert Burns' Lament for James
^ Writing as Jonathan Henderson ^
We're all adrift on the stormy seas of Evangelion, desperately trying to gather what flotsam can be snatched from the gale into a somewhat seaworthy interpretation so that we can at last reach the shores of reason and respite. - ObsessiveMathsFreak
Jimbo has posted enough to be considered greater than or equal to everyone, and or synonymous with the concept of 'everyone'. - Muggy
I've seen so many changeful years, / to Earth I am a stranger grown: / I wander in the ways of men, / alike unknowing and unknown: / Unheard, unpitied, unrelieved, / I bear alone my load of care; / For silent, low, on beds of dust, / Lie all that would my sorrows share. - Robert Burns' Lament for James
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Xard thinks that Forrest Gump's philosophy is just as SUPERDEEP as Eva's, and no one can prove him wrong. The box of chocolate:life analogy was profound. In Eva you had to pay attention to the whole thing. A one-liner like a fortune cookie is way better in my opinion. Eva can go suck it.
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-On EMF, as a thread becomes longer, the likelihood that fem-Kaworu will be mentioned increases exponentially.
-the only English language novel actually being developed in parallel to its Japanese version involving a pan-human Soviet in a galactic struggle to survive and to export the communist utopia/revolution to all the down trodden alien class and race- one of the premise being that Khrushchev remains and has abandoned Lysenko stupidity
-"That purace has more badassu maddafaakas zan supermax spaceland."
-On EMF, as a thread becomes longer, the likelihood that fem-Kaworu will be mentioned increases exponentially.
-the only English language novel actually being developed in parallel to its Japanese version involving a pan-human Soviet in a galactic struggle to survive and to export the communist utopia/revolution to all the down trodden alien class and race- one of the premise being that Khrushchev remains and has abandoned Lysenko stupidity
Finally a post by Brik which is longer than one sentence and said something. I feel so happy :)
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But it's true. Film is not medium of intellect
This sounds like something twin drive would say. I think Xard is really Twin drives tsundere little sister!
But as for comparing Forest Gump with Eva I'm not really sure if it works, their much too different from each other. Though Forest Gump is a fiarly smartly done movie.
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And feels good too. I cannot honestly say the same with Eva....
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Movie now has an 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Not really surprising.
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Guys, Forrest Gump was just first Hollywood blockbuster feel-good life message film that came to my mind. Don't overanalyze the choice
but again, it's true. Films are no place for anything intellectually worthwhile. Only some novels pass the test, and even then just barely
but again, it's true. Films are no place for anything intellectually worthwhile. Only some novels pass the test, and even then just barely
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The problem is that many times, filmmakers simply don't understand the material well enough to dramatize it, so they end up with a result that is a poorly thought out mess of pretentious nonsense. And in the few cases where the result isn't poorly thought out nonsense, it's generally just a case of stating the obvious in a very rudimentary and heavy-handed way (NGE). In other cases (as in GitS 2, though I'd like to hear Allemann's comments on this since it sounds like Oshii screwed up his philosophy here, too) they simply do a piss-poor job of dramatizing the material they do know because they lose sight of what film-making is all about.
It's pretty rare to see philosophy explored adequately on film. I can't think of any films that have done such a thing off the top of my head. I mean, philosophers wrote their thoughts down for a reason. It's easier just to read their works or read about their works than to watch some story weighed down by the pretenses of trying to characterize them
^ At least we have enjoyable film about philosophy like Sophie's World :)
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OK, srsly, it is possible The Tree of Life could turn out to be Terrence Malick's Avatar, but it is a little early to go there (besides, is there not zero 3D or CGI? come on, bad comparison)
OK, srsly, it is possible The Tree of Life could turn out to be Terrence Malick's Avatar, but it is a little early to go there (besides, is there not zero 3D or CGI? come on, bad comparison)
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"Art shouldn't pretend to be worthy philosopher" is bound to raise a storm. There's no shortage of opinions about art and philosophy.
That being said, back to your regularly scheduled discussion, please.
That being said, back to your regularly scheduled discussion, please.
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By "Back to your regularly scheduled discussion" I meant "TOPIC". Tangent nuked.
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