Controversial Anime Opinions

Guy Nacks · Postby **Guy Nacks** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:31 pm

People who dismiss Elfen Lied because of violence and nudity are the same sort of people who would dismiss ME!ME!ME! for being vapid fanservice.

I don't think Elfed Lied is as good as Eva, and it does occasionally overplay its hand, but it's not a bad show.

Bagheera · Postby **Bagheera** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:36 pm

Elfen Lied is a terribly uninspiring show. It's a fantastic manga, though.

Postby **Mr. Tines** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:03 pm

Merridian wrote:everyone that isn't an edgelord teenager.

I'll just point at the first few pages of the rec thread, even if we were all much younger then.

Merridian · Postby **Merridian** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:41 pm

Guy Nacks wrote:People who dismiss Elfen Lied because of violence and nudity are the same sort of people who would dismiss ME!ME!ME! for being vapid fanservice.

It's far easier to dismiss because of its sloppy directing and sappy, hamfisted story than its because of the violence or nudity. Violence and nudity are staples of anime and usually impetuses to watch the genre in the first place. But tastelessly tossing around themes about the depths of human depravity and the horror individuals can inflict upon one another in the name of science, progress, and genetic conflicts--particularly when they aren't packaged in a creative method that appeals to any sort of artistic sensibility or appeals to a viewer's intelligence? I'd rather watch WWII documentaries.

I can't speak for the manga, but the show was cheap schlock injected with subject matter heavier than its dressings could contain.

Mr. Tines wrote:I'll just point at the first few pages of the rec thread, even if we were all much younger then.

Fair enough, though I never dared accuse TEM of having taste :lol:

Rosenakahara · Postby **Rosenakahara** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:59 pm

Merridian wrote:It's far easier to dismiss because of its sloppy directing and sappy, hamfisted story than its because of the violence or nudity. Violence and nudity are staples of anime and usually impetuses to watch the genre in the first place. But tastelessly tossing around themes about the depths of human depravity and the horror individuals can inflict upon one another in the name of science, progress, and genetic conflicts--particularly when they aren't packaged in a creative method that appeals to any sort of artistic sensibility or appeals to a viewer's intelligence? I'd rather watch WWII documentaries.

I can't speak for the manga, but the show was cheap schlock injected with subject matter heavier than its dressings could contain.

I love you for this.

Compiling_Autumn · Postby **Compiling_Autumn** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:10 pm

Elfen Lied is supposed to be consumed as schlocky, tacky entertainment. There's a YouTube personality who calls Elfen Lied the Rocky Horror Picture Show of anime, and I totally agree with that.

TehDonutKing · Postby **TehDonutKing** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:27 pm

Elfen Lied is pretentious bullshit masquerading as having meaning. It's a lazily written harem anime with a lazily written and even more hackneyed horror plot. It tries to say it's about racism, but defeats it by making every single diclonius a horrible person. Also, a simple theme analysis will show the lack of thought put into this "deep and meaningful" anime, as it basically says that it's okay to go on a murderous rampage if you were picked on.

Postby **Monk Ed** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:34 pm

I never read much into what the "show" was trying to "say". But I don't do that about most shows. Usually I take a show as a window into an alternate reality and start thinking from there -- things like "Oh wow, should the Diclonius even be allowed to exist given how violent and dangerous they are?" The show really shocked me too, and at any moment I expected anyone to get ripped apart in a most horrific fashion. It really kept me on edge with that, to which I say bravo. It's not a show I've really thought that much about since I finished it but I still enjoyed what it did for me that was new to me at the time.

TehDonutKing · Postby **TehDonutKing** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:40 pm

I found it boring, as all the characters were unlikable cunts or so stupid that i didn't care about them anymore.

SPOILER: Show

You killed my family, but i still love you!

C.A.P. · Postby **C.A.P.** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:36 pm

-slowly walks away-

Defectron · Postby **Defectron** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:10 pm

I actually don't have a strong opinion about elfen lied one way or another. I mean the stuff donut king mentioned is all true for me , but those things really didn't bother me all that much.I mean yeah I hate Kota, but I hate his type of character in pretty much every anime I have seen with that sort of character in it. I did like some things about Elfen Lied, like the way the diclonus worked was actually pretty cool for example. But this was cancelled out by some of the negative points that people have brought up.

That being said for me Elfen Lied was on ok, not great or terrible anime, but an ok anime that I have no strong feelings towards one way or another. Really how this anime has stuck out enough to either get the sort of praise or hatred it gets is baffling.

Dima · Postby **Dima** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:25 pm

Elfen Lied.....

I liked the first minutes of the first episode. As soon as the whole blood party ended i stopped watching it. Don't know why.....

Maybe i should give it another chance? Is the rest of the show like the first minutes?

Giji Shinka · Postby **Giji Shinka** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:09 pm

^Like Bagheera said: Read the manga.

TehDonutKing · Postby **TehDonutKing** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:27 pm

Unless the manga fixes this bullshit:

TehDonutKing wrote:it basically says that it's okay to go on a murderous rampage if you were picked on.

I'm not going to read it anytime soon. The series earnestly makes me angry to think about for this reason.

Kazuki_Fuse · Postby **Kazuki_Fuse** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:36 pm

Elfen Lied was a 10/10 anime when I was 17. Six years, and four re-watches later, nothing has changed.

Postby **robersora** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:19 pm

Kazuki_Fuse wrote:Elfen Lied was a 10/10 anime when I was 17. Six years, and four re-watches later, nothing has changed.

Well, that's controversial.

Defectron · Postby **Defectron** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:02 pm

robersora wrote:Well, that's controversial.

So far we have people who have said they love, hate and don't feel very strongly one way or another about elfen lied post in this thread. Is there any opinion about this anime that is not contreversial?

Guy Nacks · Postby **Guy Nacks** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:47 pm

Defectron wrote:Is there any opinion about this anime that is not contreversial?

That it's controversial.

Bagheera · Postby **Bagheera** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:09 pm

TehDonutKing wrote:Unless the manga fixes this bullshit:

It does. Read the fuckin' manga.

Suicidahlia · Postby **Suicidahlia** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:05 am

Bagheera, I disagree. I've read like half of the manga and still found it pretentious piece of.... you catch my drift. The most memorable thing about it was the awful "date" of Kouta with his cousin when she's embarassed of being turned on by close contact with his body, and the whole chapter dedicated to the mentally disabled diclonius who was constantly pissing herself. And to clear the possible confusion - I remember those parts because they were the worst case of fanservice ever (not to mention the villifying of conscious female sexuality).
The funny thing is that I didn't mean to hate the manga - the premise seemed like something with potential, it's just the execusion is downright horrible. I don't believe that it ever gets better. You either like EL or hate it with passion of thousand suns, and I belong to the second group.

Compiling_Autumn wrote:Elfen Lied is supposed to be consumed as schlocky, tacky entertainment. There's a YouTube personality who calls Elfen Lied the Rocky Horror Picture Show of anime, and I totally agree with that.

The sad thing is, I've seen MANY people - often the same ones who despise Eva for being pretentious show about whiny people doing nothing - see it as true art that explors the degeneration of humankind.
The RHPS comparison makes much sense, since I also found RHPS an unbearable piece of crap.
I didn't even finish watching it. I have no idea why people like this.

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