Soluzar wrote:Must be cool to be a 'trend-setter'.
"Cool"? Me? Gah-hah-hah-haaaaah!!!!
I definitely prefer using the -gouki terminology, rather than EVA-XX or anything like that. It just sounds better.
I just sort of flipflop between the two... The abbreviated forms "Zero" and "Sho" I like as well, but I could never get myself to call the other Evas "Ni", "San", "Yon", etc. But I agree, "-gouki" just kind of rolls off the tongue, though you do run into the problem of being not understood by "normal" anime fans when you use it.
my memory still needs further refreshing on some bits.
I just rewatch parts of the series as forum discussion demands. I rarely ever sit down and watch an entire episode anymore!
Well, this is a really silly question, I expect, but the Core is a sealed unit, as far as I am aware. If Shogouki 'took into herself' the S^2 from Zeruel, by consuming it, how would it get into the core? I expect that to go down in forum history as the most boneheaded of questions, but it does seem odd to me.
The core seems to have more versatility than its rock-hard exterior might make one think. In #20, the newly-constituted Shinji emerges from the core off-screen, so the core's 'crust' must have some degree of flexibility -- able to function as a 'membrane' (allow things to pass in and out of the interior when needed), and at the same time be able to resist incredible force when it's in trouble (see: Zeruel's bam-bam attack). Another example of this is in #26', when a concavity forms on the core's surface (another faux-vagina, apparently) before merging with the Spear (something I'm guessing Yui wanted to happen, once she got Shinji's 'approval'). The core's flexibility is also demonstrated in #23', when Zero's core actually expands visibly when it starts absorbing Armisael (but this property is limited, as eventually it breaches the threshold and cracks open, bizarre pinkish biomass bubbling out).
Also, #20 is kind of vague about what the hell Shinji's soul is doing, but apparently it entered EVA-01's core from the outside. This isn't quite the same as a physical object passing into it, though.
On a side note, this might be the property allowing the plugs to be inserted into the cores, negating the necessity of requiring a hole to constantly be there (an idea I never liked); the core simply yields to allow part of the plug to enter, and, if the Eva so desires, the plug can be ejected (suggested by the 'plug depth' change when Yui goes bousou in #02). When the plug is not present, the core automatically "reseals".
Considering all of this, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that biomass could enter the core from Sho's body proper. It's sort of beyond me how she manages to reconstruct an S^2 after swallowing its bloody chunks, though. It's a somewhat different phenomenon from her ability to regenerate her right arm from Zeruel's, as she had an arm to begin with and her body "knows" what structure to make. Not so with the S^2, since she was born without one. Maybe she possesses the genetic information for "building" an S^2, but in the engineering process this was intentionally "turned off" and she never grew one. (Sort of like how a male embryo develops into a female if it is missing the part of the Y chromosome that activates the masculinization of a developing embryo -- the "on switch" for maleness.) If so, though, presumably she'd be able to make her own and not need to take in the biomass comprising someone else's. Gah, confusing!
Hmm, s'funny. I could have sworn that one of the earliest threads I read when I came here was about the nature of the Spear. At the time I barely understood a word of it, but I had assumed that some conclusion was reached.
The MAGI hack files in NGE2 allude to the Spear's "failsafe" properties in Instrumentality (very, very vaguely), and we also know that it is a vessel of incredible power (able to breach ATFs and, apparently, facilitate Lilith's regeneration). The true nature of the thing still remains one of the more obnoxious mysteries. The "failsafe" thing is something I would never have guessed in a million years from what we are told in the series itself (unless there are some hidden hints that I'm forgetting; even the "Adam and Lilith are aliens' science projects" tidbit didn't come out of nowhere). Considering how recently this piece of data emerged, we haven't had much time to reevaluate the situation after being thrown back to square one.
So it's just #21, #22, #23, and #24 that have the new scenes in? Hmm, I have the Final Genesis volume with the reworked #24 on it, but not the previous volume. Hmm. I suppose I should buy it. Platinum still aren't up to that point yet, so not much point waiting for that...
Yeppers. The previous volume is worth getting for the diehard NGE fan, if because, for no other reason, the 'mysterious images' in the Rei tank sequence are removed in the Renewal version of #23'. There are a couple of other minor changes that were made, but they're much less noticeable.
Knives wrote:Reichu... I know it's a pain, but it'd be helpful to know exactly what Ritsuko says in this scene in the Japanese. I need to watch the episode again to really remember exactly how she phrases it in the English even. Garh.
I'm assuming you're referring to this line specifically:
Ritsuko "S^2 kikan (S^2 engine/organ) o mizukara (for one's self, personally, consciously) torikonde iru (taking in, ingesting) to iu no? Eva Shogouki ga."
While I'm not really sure how to iu is functioning here, my own feeling is that Ritsuko is basically saying, "Is she purposely [i.e., for her own personal purposes] ingesting the S^2 engine/organ?", although you'll usually see the more vague, "Is she taking the S^2 engine into herself?". I'm no expert (very, very far from it, in fact), but the use of mizukara here instead of the more general jibun ("self")" seems to imply that Ritsuko is questioning not what the Eva is eating (or "assimilating"), but why she is eating it. Sort of the difference between, "Gee, are those bloody chunks hanging from her maw the Angel's S^2?" and "I can see that she's eating his S^2, but is it something that's she doing on a conscious level, with a definite agenda in mind?" Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
"Eva Shogouki ga" is really just the subject of Ritsuko's first sentence stated as an afterthought, in a way, which can be done more easily in Japanese (where it is more natural to omit the subject in the first place) than English. I guess an English equivalent might be, "So did he get the job? Your brother, I mean."
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THEN she pulls on it, narrows her eyes, teeth closeup, and digs in. 
Well, remember, electricity seems to work differently in the NGE universe as convenience demands. For example, the electric current in the LCL doesn't electrocute the pilot. 
