Shinji and Asuka

[Lastie [ANF]]

Wow, I just deleted that post (slightly concerned children visiting the boards might navigate away from that area into the 'gallery' section of the site) MagicianCamille, sorry. Now no one knows what we were talking about.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:15 GMT

[MagicianCamille [ANF]]

Okay but we are no longer friends. (Who are you anyways?)

SPAM SPAM SPAM
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Tentacle porn is gross...

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:16 GMT

[Magami No ER [ANF]]

Yes, you have. Be proud (and wary )
Lastie: Just PM him.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:17 GMT

[Lastie [ANF]]

Okay but we are no longer friends. (Who are you anyways?)

We were friends?!?! When did this happen? And why wasn't I informed??! Damn, I'm always the last to know ... Or were you talking to someone else?

I'm confused ...

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:21 GMT

[Magami No ER [ANF]]

Cami's using his sarcasam to do to your brain what the TV ending of Eva did to some VERY obessed Japanese otakus'.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:38 GMT

[MagicianCamille [ANF]]

My first words after watching the TV Ending were "What could have been...", the world without Eva seemed a lot more entertaining the entire series. If only Kaworu were in the world without Eva...then it would have been perfect.

And it also gave me this *******-comment.

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:41 GMT

[Mr. Tines [ANF]]

Um, entertaining though discussions of Urotsuki-very-dodgy (as it is known in some quarters) may be, we're drifting from the point.

Which, amongst other things is why, after all the mismatch and revelations of mismatch, culminating in Asuka's final lines (in Complementation and on the darkling shore) they still believe there is any relationship left, or any possibility of one to be rebuilt (Adam and Eve scenario aside).

Is it just hope for a romantic and satisfying conclusion despite the example of the rest of the film and the series of all the relationships being broken?

Not to mention what's behind the frequent Asuka-as-hausfrau kinder+k%?Dche assumption in so much fan art and fiction - didn't they listen to ep#22?.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 21:52 GMT

[Soluzar [ANF]]

Not to mention what's behind the frequent Asuka-as-hausfrau kinder+k%?Dche

I only know a small amount of Deutsche, so if you wouldn't mind enlightening the Biscuit, that would be "Asuka-as-homemaker, child, and what?"

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:06 GMT

[OMF [ANF]]

Yes. Shinji and Asuka in a happy vanilla flavoured relationship just doesn't make any sense.

If they did have any further relationship, Shinji would play the part of the downtrodden intimidated house-wife, cooking, cleaning and slaving for his vindictive, abusive partner Asuka, who dispite her apoplectic rage at even the very sight of his wretched form, still for some reason cannot bring herself to abandon him.

The two are destined for a lifetime of twisted and unhappy dependance on one another.

Will I be disembowled by Shinji/Asuka shippers now?

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:10 GMT

[Mr. Tines [ANF]]

I only know a small amount of Deutsche, so if you wouldn't mind enlightening the Biscuit, that would be "Asuka-as-homemaker, child, and what?"

I cut down from the 1930's era injunction that a German woman's functions were Kirche, kinder und k%?Dche - Church, children and (in the) kitchen.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:11 GMT

[Magami No ER [ANF]]

Yes. Shinji and Asuka in a happy vanilla flavoured relationship just doesn't make any sense.

If they did have any further relationship, Shinji would play the part of the downtrodden intimidated house-wife, cooking, cleaning and slaving for his vindictive, abusive partner Asuka, who dispite her apoplectic rage at even the very sight of his wretched form, still for some reason cannot bring herself to abandon him.

The two are destined for a lifetime of twisted and unhappy dependance on one another.

Will I be disembowled by Shinji/Asuka shippers now?

From the words of a FBI Agent from Family Guy(episode where they go down South.)
: "I smell a sitcom!"
No seriously, that was funny without you making it so intentually.^^

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:16 GMT

[Soluzar [ANF]]

I cut down from the 1930's era injunction that a German woman's functions were Kirche, kinder und k%?Dche - Church, children and (in the) kitchen.

Yes, I thought it might mean something to do with cooking. It sounds similar to our english word, for one, and it is part of the stereotype as you have pointed out.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:37 GMT

[Mr. Tines [ANF]]

The two are destined for a lifetime of twisted and unhappy dependance on one another.

Will I be disembowled by Shinji/Asuka shippers now?

Probably not. They'll just ignore it and go off and look at Pengel's S/A fanart site and the like, which is informative and illustrative of one strand of S/A shipping, at least.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:42 GMT

[OMF [ANF]]

From the words of a FBI Agent from Family Guy(episode where they go down South.)
: "I smell a sitcom!"
No seriously, that was funny without you making it so intentually.^^

It is sort of funny now that I look at it.

I smell a fan-fic!!

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 22:56 GMT

[Reichu [ANF]]

Despite the way that EoE ends, I don't think anyone can really say for sure that A/S won't, or can't, happen. IMO, the whole point is that, no, there won't be some magical, glittery happy ending. They are back in reality, and reality involves struggle and suffering -- this is what Shinji chose to return to. And despite everything, Asuka chose to not only come back, but to mysteriously wind up at the exact same place where Shinji is. Why ARE they shown lying perfectly side-by-side on that beach?




It doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do if the message is, "...and these two have absolutely no future together." The idea I get is, "And the REAL fun has just begun..." The symmetry suggests a sort of unison, yet their hands do not touch. They have both hurt one another immeasurably and, now that ATFs have returned, they can hurt each other once again.

The whole A/S relationship seems to be based on a sort of irreconcilable opposition. 'I hate you, but I need you. I am oblivious to your advances, but you are everything I've ever dreamed. I want to help you, but all I do is hurt you. I want all of you, but I would rather die than do it with you. I give you this caress, but you disgust me.'

And... crap... what was I saying? Ah, ah. I guess the point is, these kids are young, messed-up, and confused. They don't really know WHAT the hell they want. So for all we know, "Kimochi warui" could just be a transient sentiment. As if Asuka has been incredibly consistent thusfar.

Originally posted on: 09-May-2005, 23:55 GMT

[Magami No ER [ANF]]

^I get it, that's kinda what I was thinking...

Originally posted on: 10-May-2005, 00:41 GMT

[OMF [ANF]]

It doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do if the message is, "...and these two have absolutely no future together." The idea I get is, "And the REAL fun has just begun..." The symmetry suggests a sort of unison, yet their hands do not touch. They have both hurt one another immeasurably and, now that ATFs have returned, they can hurt each other once again.

The whole A/S relationship seems to be based on a sort of irreconcilable opposition. 'I hate you, but I need you. I am oblivious to your advances, but you are everything I've ever dreamed. I want to help you, but all I do is hurt you. I want all of you, but I would rather die than do it with you. I give you this caress, but you disgust me.'

You know, perhaps the ending can be viewed as a hopeful one for the Shinji/Asuka relationship. Perhaps despite everything, these two can learn to live in happy unision. each may yet grow up and realise that they must give as well as take. The essential problem was that each failed to understand or communicate with the other. But now each may well have realised that the other needed them as well. The hedgehogs have snugged close enough to prick one another you might say, and have so realised that the other was also seeking warmth. They have all the time in the world to work it out at any rate.

However, whatever form their matrimony takes, I will still stand by the indisputable argument that Asuka will be the one on top!

Originally posted on: 10-May-2005, 01:09 GMT

[Joeshie [ANF]]

Despite the way that EoE ends, I don't think anyone can really say for sure that A/S won't, or can't, happen. IMO, the whole point is that, no, there won't be some magical, glittery happy ending. They are back in reality, and reality involves struggle and suffering -- this is what Shinji chose to return to. And despite everything, Asuka chose to not only come back, but to mysteriously wind up at the exact same place where Shinji is. Why ARE they shown lying perfectly side-by-side on that beach?




It doesn't seem like a very logical thing to do if the message is, "...and these two have absolutely no future together." The idea I get is, "And the REAL fun has just begun..." The symmetry suggests a sort of unison, yet their hands do not touch. They have both hurt one another immeasurably and, now that ATFs have returned, they can hurt each other once again.

The whole A/S relationship seems to be based on a sort of irreconcilable opposition. 'I hate you, but I need you. I am oblivious to your advances, but you are everything I've ever dreamed. I want to help you, but all I do is hurt you. I want all of you, but I would rather die than do it with you. I give you this caress, but you disgust me.'

And... crap... what was I saying? Ah, ah. I guess the point is, these kids are young, messed-up, and confused. They don't really know WHAT the hell they want. So for all we know, "Kimochi warui" could just be a transient sentiment. As if Asuka has been incredibly consistent thusfar.

Reichu shoots...SHE SCORES!

Originally posted on: 10-May-2005, 01:41 GMT

[Lastie [ANF]]

Indeed, fantastic observations Reichu. That'll bring you closer to winning my award 'Best Contender for the Premature Reincarnation of Hideaki Anno'.

The two are destined for a lifetime of twisted and unhappy dependance on one another.

Will I be disembowled by Shinji/Asuka shippers now?

No, because if other S/A shippers are like me, that's exactly what we like anyway.

Originally posted on: 10-May-2005, 20:51 GMT

[RyoTD [ANF]]

The whole A/S relationship seems to be based on a sort of irreconcilable opposition. 'I hate you, but I need you. I am oblivious to your advances, but you are everything I've ever dreamed. I want to help you, but all I do is hurt you. I want all of you, but I would rather die than do it with you. I give you this caress, but you disgust me.'

And... crap... what was I saying? Ah, ah. I guess the point is, these kids are young, messed-up, and confused. They don't really know WHAT the hell they want. So for all we know, "Kimochi warui" could just be a transient sentiment. As if Asuka has been incredibly consistent thusfar.

Reichu, just when did you get the ability to read other's minds?
Great post!

Originally posted on: 10-May-2005, 16:55 GMT