Eva-05 and -06 Designs & Speculation

[NAveryW]

I feel like that image reminds me of a particular ceratopsid with a plate that splits in two, but I can't remember which one. I think it may have been Pentaceratops.

[Action_Bastard]

Just ask Reichu, she looooooooves dinos.

[UrsusArctos]

To be honest, the idea of a battle between 06 and berserk 01 isn't that appealing when I think about it a little harder. 01 would have to be subdued to let the story go on, and that just wouldn't be cool. I'd rather watch Yui finish having her jollies and voluntarily deactivate.

Eh? That's hardly any better than the cop-out between 19 and 20.

Then she can go berserk later and kick the crap out of her evil twin when the Evil Silver-Haired Bishounen With Mysterious Powers overwhelms poor little Shinji. I look forward to seeing Eva-06's innards strewn all over Central Dogma.

Booo. I'd rather see them evenly matched instead of having Eva-01 slaughter another Eva. She's already got infected Eva-03 to dismember.

[Sailor Star Dust]

Booo. I'd rather see them evenly matched instead of having Eva-01 slaughter another Eva.

This.

[PuppetChaos]

I third the motion of "No Unit 01 going berserker on 06". Maybe it's the super robot fanboy in me, but I'd much rather watch 01 and 06 have an epic throwdown with both pilots being in full control of their Evas, as opposed to just 01 going batshit yet again.

[Action_Bastard]

How about both Unit-01 and 06 going Berserk on each other? .........EPICNESS.............

[DummyPlug]

IMO a controntation between those two pilots would lead to a massive Eva battle with strong homoerotic undertones.

[SaltyJoe]

Eva-05's design was altered and expanded upon compared to what we could see in the teaser at the end of 1.0

Changes to the color scheme and arms -- but anything else?

Ain't that enough?

I wasn't calling for super big changes... well, i couldn't have been even if i had wanted to, since 06 doesn't really have a design as of yet. More like just an outline. I think we would need to see something more substantial of Eva.06 to develop meaningful theories about this Unit beside those that have been already mentioned.

I hope we won't have to wait till the movie itself, and a third trailer will contain at least a few images of 06.

I thought Rodeo was just referring to the fact that we can finally see Eva-06's jaw, whereas it had been muddied into total darkness before......

Wow, apparently, i'm thick/dumb/stupid/etc. Apologies to Rodeo. Though i don't think he/she cares. Probably for the better.

I third the motion of "No Unit 01 going berserker on 06". .... I'd much rather watch 01 and 06 have an epic throwdown with both pilots being in full control of their Evas, as opposed to just 01 going batshit yet again.

I agree: if 01 and 06 are going to duke it out in the end, i would be glad if it would involve more Shinji then Yui. Growing away from the mother, concluding his "hero's journey", etc. (Though accomplishing things through ones Eva has not been treated as a indisputably good thing in the franchise, so far.)

[Reichu]

Eh? That's hardly any better than the cop-out between 19 and 20.

How so? The only way they would have gotten Yui back is if she let them, after all. By Ritsuko's own admission, they had no way of retrieving the liberated Eva-01 by force.

Booo. I'd rather see them evenly matched instead of having Eva-01 slaughter another Eva. She's already got infected Eva-03 to dismember.

Yeah, but she was all red-eyed and possessed at the time. Plus Yui-sama ripping things apart is like porn for me.

I agree: if 01 and 06 are going to duke it out in the end, i would be glad if it would involve more Shinji then Yui. Growing away from the mother, concluding his "hero's journey", etc. (Though accomplishing things through ones Eva has not been treated as a indisputably good thing in the franchise, so far.)

Piloting an Eva is more like relying on your mom (in a weird symbolically Freudian way) than growing away from your mom, so it would be a pretty slipshod way for Shinji to complete any journey. He'd have to do that without Mommy's help at all.

[SaltyJoe]

Piloting an Eva is more like relying on your mom (in a weird symbolically Freudian way) than growing away from your mom, so it would be a pretty slipshod way for Shinji to complete any journey. He'd have to do that without Mommy's help at all.

Yeah, that's true, however, it hasn't been established yet what it means to pilot Eva in Rebuild.

In the original series, it was regressing to mommy and sort of a trap for one's identity, yet the only way to save the wrold as we know it.

Here, the story and symbolism could be twisted in such a way that it would come off rather as a painful, dangerous, yet badass way to save humanity, with a little help from mom.

If Shinji were to remain conscious during the final battle with whoever it will be fought, it could show that it is ultimately Shinji who is deciding the fate of tomorrow. Like in EoE, just in a more proactive way.

This may sound un-Eva-like, but this is Rebuild. We have been promised a completely different ending. Shinji taking on the final confrontation in a warriors way is just one of the endless possibilities.

And i have to agree wih Ursus: having Yui always tear up everything in a bloody way might become.. i never thought i would say this but a bit boring in the long run.

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As an aside: who here thinks that it would be cool if Eva.06 had a "second form" of operation (a heavily angelic one, at that) that it's pilot could trigger on will? Since we have no way to accertain this through means of deduction from what we have seen so far, just say "Nay" if you think it would be dumb, and "Yay" if you think it would be awesome.

[BattleMonkey]

Why not have multiple Evas against 06? Why does it have to be one on one? Unit 01 & 2, possibly even 00 in a combined battle.

[Sailor Star Dust]

who here thinks that it would be cool if Eva.06 had a "second form" of operation (a heavily angelic one, at that) that it's pilot could trigger on will? Since we have no way to accertain this through means of deduction from what we have seen so far, just say "Nay" if you think it would be dumb, and "Yay" if you think it would be awesome.

I have my own pet theory of Eva-06 having a second form* (or third form of sorts ) but whether or not Eva-06's pilot oh, who are we kidding, it's Kaworu, could have anything to do with causing the form is another thing.

*The idea was mentioned already (either by me or a few other people too) so it'd just be speculation but for those curious: Moon Giant = Eva-06 = that new, Third Angel. If the Angel would be called Samael and/or ve actually has a place in Rebuild, not just NGE's opening, I'll be a happy camper.

But yeah, to answer the question, I'm agonna say "yay".

[PuppetChaos]

Who says that becoming a man is synonymous with growing apart from your mother? Everyone knows that even tough guys love Mom. ;) Yui could still intervene, but it wouldn't have to be 01 going berserker. Shinji could have a scene similar to Asuka's realization of what the AT Field truly is in EoE.

Or else we could all-out super robot, liiiiiiiike this...

Kaworu in 06: Die, pathetic fool. The Angels are the superior form of life! BAWAHAHA [zaps 01 with GETTA BEAM]
Shinji: AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH ITS POINTLESS OH GOD THE PAIN
[Suddenly, AT Field]
Yui V/O: Don't forget I am always with you.
Shinji: ...mother?
[01 starts KICKING ASS]
Kaworu: I don't understand, where is this strength coming from?
Shinji: Someone like you would never understand! (because you don't have a mommy, bitch.)

Imagine it in Getter Robo-style animation, and that becomes either hilarious or awesome or both. If my silly idea actually shows up in Rebuild 4.0, I'd laugh, but I'd actually probably like it still.

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Oh, and, 06 having an 'angel form' would be awesome.

[SaltyJoe]

Why not have multiple Evas against 06? Why does it have to be one on one? Unit 01 & 2, possibly even 00 in a combined battle.

Well Shinji is the hero. The main character. King Arthur. Luke Skywalker. Friggin' Paul Atreides. It would seem natural that it would fall upon him to take down the uber-menace.

But of course, anything could happen. For all we know, the other Evas could combine and form the Evazord to fight Unit 06 (though they would be unit short for that...)

Who says that becoming a man is synonymous with growing apart from your mother? Everyone knows that even tough guys love Mom. ;) Yui could still intervene, but it wouldn't have to be 01 going berserker. Shinji could have a scene similar to Asuka's realization of what the AT Field truly is in EoE.

Well, completely barring Yui from an Eva fight would be impossible anyway, since Shinji needs her to move the Eva at the very least. It's just that i would be glad if we could see a more badass, stronger Shinji emerge by the end of 4.0, who after the titanic battle with the ultimate enemy, bids his mother a final farewell, and starts to live life on his own.

In the original series, the furthest the characters have gone was to realize the fact that they had problems, and identify the nature of those issues (well, with the probable exception of Rei). In Rebuild, i would be glad if some solutions were also shown. A little simple, happy closure would be nice.

Oh, and i never seen any of the Getter Robo series, but even so i could tell that the scenario you outlined would be both hilarious and awesome.

[Sailor Star Dust]

PuppetChaos: Eva going all super robot would be crazy. @_@ (Besides, isn't the Eva real robots?) While cheesy dialouge like that would be cool, Eva even having the slightest feel to say, something (more or less) "uplifting" like Gurren Lagann would make my brain asplode. (But it'd be hilarious and awesome for a reference or too.)

[01 starts KICKING ASS]
[BGM: Happily Ever After from GL episode 11]
Kaworu as the typical evil villain: I don't understand! Where is this strength coming from?!
Shinji: Someone like you would never understand! (Because you don't have a mommy, bitch.)

For all we know, the other Evas could combine and form the Evazord to fight Unit 06 (though they would be unit short for that...)

Only if the combined Eva turn into a Sumo Wrestler. "Evangelion 2, GO!" ;)

It's just that i would be glad if we could see a more badass, stronger Shinji emerge by the end of 4.0, who after the titanic battle with the ultimate enemy, bids his mother a final farewell, and starts to live life on his own.

Yes, that would be nice for something different. Although, Shinji seemed to be well-adjusted when he and Yui parted ways in EoE, and I personally liked how any "ultimate enemy" in EoTV/EoE boils down to yourself/other people ("Like I thought, the ultimate enemy of people is other people."~Fuyutsuki) instead of any "alien" being attacking you and your planet.

[SaltyJoe]

Yes, that would be nice for something different. Although, Shinji seemed to be well-adjusted when he and Yui parted ways in EoE,

After that, though... (Some would argue that trying to strangle her is the only natural reaction to Asuka, but those people are just mean:))

and I personally liked how any "ultimate enemy" in EoTV/EoE boils down to yourself/other people ("Like I thought, the ultimate enemy of people is other people."~Fuyutsuki) instead of any "alien" being attacking you and your planet.

But behind Kaworu and Eva.06, there would still be Seele. Humans, using an artificial god to test humanity. "Man that's deep!"

[Rodeo]

Sorry for going off-topic, but I'm not really a fan of the idea that Rebuild should simply culminate with an epic battle like you seem to be suggesting in here. I would find it rather boring and anti-climatic.
One of the main reasons I liked the original series so much is because the ending went far beyond that "final boss" stage (where most stories would end) and sorta ventured into the unknown with EoE.
They should find some other way to use Eva-06

Wow, apparently, i'm thick/dumb/stupid/etc. Apologies to Rodeo. Though i don't think he/she cares. Probably for the better.

I was not offended.

[PuppetChaos]

@SSD - Oh, I agree, Eva having cheesy super robot-esque lines would be really... un-Eva. As for Eva's Super/Real Robot status (I could put a long thing here about how there's no 'true' super or real robot anime, but yeah), the jury's still out, but general consensus amongst mecha nerds seems to be that Eva is a deconstruction of Super Robot anime in general; considering it uses a lot of elements from them...

Eva also is kind of like Getter and some other Go-Nagai/Ken Ishikawa mecha series in that the mecha aren't so much protectors as they are monstrous constructs that contain great power, you're never truly at ease when one's around, even if it's on your side. Even the pilots in series like Getter, Mazinger, etc., who are typically badass to the extreme, can get scared by their power.

Basically, Eva has more in common with Getter than Gundam; it just tilts the tropes on their heads.

Also, I approve of your fixing of my silly thing :)

[SaltyJoe]

Sorry for going off-topic, but I'm not really a fan of the idea that Rebuild should simply culminate with an epic battle like you seem to be suggesting in here. I would find it rather boring and anti-climatic.

A lot of fans would probably find that disagreeable, yes, however, we have been promised a "more accessible ending" (among other things). I think it would be interesting if Rebuild did a flipside of what the original series and EoE did.

There, the story gave way to an examination of the characters (particularly Shinji), human relationships, fantasy and reality and all such things. Now, Rebuild could do something different: have the characters deconstructions and the philosophical questions as a driving force or a backdrop to an actual plot in the forefront. I just think this would be an interesting place to take the franchise to.

Oh, and just because the story would conclude in a more classically epic, graspable way, it's not obligatory to drop everything that made Evangelion into what it is. Quite the contrary. This is a Rebuild of Eva after all. I doubt there would be black and white situations and simple minded morales. Just a more cohesive plot and a more comprehensible ending.

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To ad a bit to the topic, and partially continue my reply to Rodeo's post, i could see Eva.06 working as an alternate Instrumentality engine. Seele's own version of Lilith.

[Otakon 08 Ikari]

Alright!

I watched some Rebuild 1.11 and saw Unit 06 and it seems like it has the interlocking jaw that 01/03/04 have but with a different face...Hmmm.