A remake or a sequel?

[Monk Ed]

We've been pretty lax about policing people with behavioral issues in this subforum lately. Rest assured that this is not acceptable behavior.

[Dream]

I just skimmed the last two pages and outside one poster who constantly posts with an aggresive tone no one really seemed to label or attack you, unitM. Saying things like "I'm not concerned how people take me" might indicate part of why the thread has gone bad.

[ChaddyManPrime]

All right so, I was gonna go the whole nine yards with this but I've been procrastinating too damn long so I'm just gonna throw it all out, this not going to be anywhere near as elegant as I want it to be.

Mari is Asuka, Shikinami is Asuka, and The Doll is Asuka.

Mari is Asuka's Feminine Attributes, stuff she inherits from Kyoko.

Shikinami is Asuka's Masculine atrributes, stuff she inherits from Langley.

The Doll is Asuka's damaged psyche, pretty much the shit we saw with Arael.

Gendo is the King, specifically The Mad King, aka Nebuchadnezzar. His key is what it has always been... Shinji. That key is most likely Shinji, a Shinji at the very least.

The nine coffins that contain Kaworus represent the nine MPEs.

The contracts with Lilith have been made with more that just Seele, I have the distinct impression that Mari and Shinji have too.

[Mr. Jive]

some stuff I fond on the net

SPOILER: Show

The finale of Eva will end up being [like] Devilman. That’s what the story has to be. I guess I’m doing it unconsciously. [Eva] already completely contains the “taste” of Go Nagai. I can’t wipe it away. I can no longer deny the impact of Devilman. If I were to deny it, I feel that I would end up completely overturning my own life.
I will note, though, that there is a precedent for ‘sequel theory’ that might have influenced Anno. Go Nagai’s Violence Jack was revealed in its final chapters to have been a sequel to Devilman. In Violence Jack, it turns out that, after its destruction, the world was recreated by the fallen angel Ryo Asuka for the sake of trying to resurrect Akira Fudo, whom he had fallen in love with. However, the recreation was not entirely successful.
Without question, Anno is familiar with Violence Jack (according to the Japanese wikipedia, in Schizo, Anno mentions the Slum King as one source of inspiration for the design of the Evangelions). In addition, some Eva fans have noted parallels between Ryo Asuka and Kaworu Nagisa (including Halicat and Synapsid on EGF). Kaworu’s appearances in NME especially seem reminiscent of both Ryo Asuka and the storyline of Violence Jack.

Seem to be more of reboot /sequel. These things happened more often then people know. Toho does every 30 years whit Godzilla. G1985 was sequal to the first G movie that ignore the movie that was made from raids again and TOMG. Halloween H20 was sequel to the second movie ignoring the ones in between them. Evil Dead 2 was a reboot/ sequel.

For all we know soryu made be dead. She was killed on the battle filed when Shinji refuse to help her while the mind part of her died when Shinji strangle her. Which mean that was shikinami who wash up on the beach. Or soryu mind is trap inside Unit 2 like her mom's mind was in NGE seeing how shikinami act like someone or something is inside Unit 2. [/code]

[zlink64]

That pretty interesting. Where is that info from? I hope it ends up being a sequel. The whole idea of rebuild being remake isn't very exciting to me. Never felt like Evangelion needed to be "retold". It's like retelling cowboy bebop or some other classic thing. Just unnecessary. I don't feel like Eva needed a sequel either but at least if it's a sequel it means something might be very different in the end compared to the original.

[nostalgic_beer]

I don't have the canonical script, only an old fansub of EoE that in my humble opinion is a bit intriguing about this crazy "sequel" theory since you can think about some "sequel hints" if you analyze the script below (specially out of EoE context, think about what is said in this snippet and what really represents in the whole Evangelion universe if you really believe it's a sequel).

The transcript below is before "you're disgusting".

Reality exists in a place unknown, and dreams exist within reality.
And truth lies in your heart.
The contents of a person's heart shapes their appearance.
And new images will change their hearts and their forms.
The power of imagination is the ability to create your own future,
and the power to create your own flow of time.
But if people don't act of their own free will,
then nothing will change at all.
So, you must regain your own lost form by your own volition.
Even if it means your words become lost...
or confused with the words of others.
Anyone can return to human form...
as long as they are able to imagine themselves within their own heart.
Don't worry.
All living creatures have the power to be brought back to life...
and the will to go on living.
Anywhere can be paradise, as long as you have the will to live.
After all, you are alive,
so you will always have the chance to be happy.
As long as the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth exist,
everything will be alright.

If you can create your own flow of time, who knows what 3.0 really is, or how many times it really happened.

[ChaddyManPrime]

Does anyone want to help with a sequel theory I'm working on? Is anyone else still interested in sequel theory enough to want to help? I really just need help forming the essay.

PM if you are interested in helping.

[unz]

Sooo....I wanted to read something informative about it all but 40 pages is a bit much.
I don't really care about sequel and loop tags, I just can't help to notice lines referencing nge episodes or even something from the movies. I don't really need to look at stuff like what Yui says at the end of eoe because as far as physical matter goes we get references. It's just this is pretty overwhelming and I'd have to check everything and what changes in the characters (Asuka above them all) playing the same scenes. It's a lot for one person. Maybe tomorrow I'll watch the most boring rebuild movie, the first one, and have something to start and give more details to the analysis section. I'll likely find out things you guys already have tho:l

[ChaddyManPrime]

^
I'd just watch the third one to be honest, if any one of them is a sequel to the original story it's that one.

And if the time loop actually exists, I don't think it works the way people think it works.

[unz]

No you'd have to watch them all. I mean yeah Q is post 3rd Impact but Ha has all these Asuka issues coming out of nowhere like intentionally getting in Shinji futon and getting called Asuka like that.
Of course Q has all those Kaworu lines and evas with what I assume is the S2 stuff from Ha's "true evangelion"...but it's not a starting point.
Don't know if I'll get to actually watch anything today tho.

I'm not sticking to sequel/loop/etc tags because those are different shades of the same "rebuild" thing, I don't really think someone like mari will explain anything unless through some meta and even then this is a literal physical rebuild with physical elements from the whole franchise. So yeah. We need bigger nerds than me. Like I never touched novels and mangas and death n rebirth and I'm very late to the party.


Also yeah Q has that one scene with Shinji and fuyu talking about destroying and building back the world, call it an indoctrination for Shinji but it's the scene which makes the rebuilding a central theme for the whole series.

[Dima]

You should start with 2.22. Nothing different happens in 1.11 except the final scene (and a conversation between Shinji and Misato).

[Arcadia's legacy]

Last time i saw it, there was a more than just the final scene that was different

[Dima]

Last time i saw it, there was a more than just the final scene that was different

Like?

[Arcadia's legacy]

This
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Differences_between_Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_and_Original_Series

[unz]

Haven't checked the thread answers but what about things like the ship on the road and the giant figure drawn on the land? Wasn't there some red sea?


edit Oooh ok:0

I never tried Doritos.

[Dima]

This
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Differences_between_Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_and_Original_Series

I was aware of this link but i didn't want to post a ready list. As i said except the two things i mentioned nothing else major happens in the plot except if you care about the different line colors of the EVAs.

[Arcadia's legacy]

What about the brief scene in which Gendo mentions to Fuyutski that he will push Shinji and Rei closer to help forward his scenario? (Fuyutski is playing shogi in this scene also)

[Bagheera]

I was aware of this link but i didn't want to post a ready list. As i said except the two things i mentioned nothing else major happens in the plot except if you care about the different line colors of the EVAs.

Not true, actually. The bit with falling lights in the beginning might not seem like much, but it's actually a pretty big deal (and an indicator that Yui is not the soul of Unit 01, as she was in the original). The "contract with Lilith" business is likewise completely new, and presumably significant. There are a bunch of other differences as well, as noted in the link Arcadia's legacy provided. Saying "Nothing different happens in 1.11 except the final scene" is simply not correct.

[Arcadia's legacy]

And before anyone says "but we were told she's in 01 in Q" remember, in NGE her soul was in the core, in NTE, she became the "control system" whatever that means

[Dima]

Not true, actually. The bit with falling lights in the beginning might not seem like much, but it's actually a pretty big deal (and an indicator that Yui is not the soul of Unit 01, as she was in the original). The "contract with Lilith" business is likewise completely new, and presumably significant. There are a bunch of other differences as well, as noted in the link Arcadia's legacy provided. Saying "Nothing different happens in 1.11 except the final scene" is simply not correct.

Nothing different in a major way. I don't agree the bit with the falling lights is a big deal at all and the contract with Lilith can turn out to be something minor (considering they never mentioned it since then).
The other differences that are on the link you talk about, 80% of it is about the design of the Angels and EVAs.