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I was thinking of the reflection at 5:44. I'm not sure if that was the intention, but that's what I thought of.
I'm not saying this short has any connection to the rebuild films or is simply an artists expression of the work, but if the intent is to hint at some themes or give us any information, I'd say sequel hints are very possibly there.
I wonder if everyone somewhat aggressively against any kind of sequel would be able to stomach the truth if it turns out to be the case when the final rebuild film is released.
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Its the opening of EoE all over again, except not.
Like i said before with this being released i personally think Shin will be a combination of both the kind of things we saw in EoE and NTE making the film into something entirely different.
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3.0 has set up quite a few of the same things EOE had and this has been pointed out.
For example the way Shinji is by the end of 3.0 is like the way he is at the beginning of EOE.
Also in NGE doesn't Shinji constantly repeat before EOE that he is alone? With this if the trio ended up splitting then he might as well be alone at the start of Shin(I'd rather they show this).
The preview for 4.0 does imply that like EOE it will be Asuka vs the MPEs or rather Asuka and Mari, who's to say(besides Anno of course) her/their fate won't be the same as EOE.
With all the similarities 3.0 and Shin/4.0/Final has many differences from EOE like the whole 14 years, how nobody at Wille seems to care for Shinji at the moment, and how the only way he is getting back to Unit-01 is by earning Wille's trust or if they threaten his life, I mean god Misato in EOE just wanted to get him to walk(TY Demo D), and now they don't want him and Yui anywhere near each other.
I am completely agreeing with you on this it will have both aspects of NGE and NTE which will make something amazing.
Also @Sorrow, Very well if Anno wants to change the meaning of NGE with the confirmation that the sequel theory is true, then so be it, we can always still remember what the message was before. I will admit I should've been less concrete with my reasoning and saying "it never intended".
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I really hope that them splitting up isn't a possibility for Final, cause it's getting tiring where Shinji is just taking the back-seat in everything in his life all alone. I'd like for him to take an active role for once and have people around him that he can rely on for support.
I know that a big message of Eva is learning to love yourself when no one else will, but 1 is the loneliest number, and he doesn't have to always be alone.
I really hope that them splitting up isn't a possibility for Final, cause it's getting tiring where Shinji is just taking the back-seat in everything in his life all alone. I'd like for him to take an active role for once and have people around him that he can rely on for support.
I know that a big message of Eva is learning to love yourself when no one else will, but 1 is the loneliest number, and he doesn't have to always be alone.
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I really hope that them splitting up isn't a possibility for Final, cause it's getting tiring where Shinji is just taking the back-seat in everything in his life all alone. I'd like for him to take an active role for once and have people around him that he can rely on for support.
I know that a big message of Eva is learning to love yourself when no one else will, but 1 is the loneliest number, and he doesn't have to always be alone.
Well even if he is abandoned by the girl who had a crush on him 14 years prior and the girl who is a shadow of someone close to him... Even if he is abandoned by someone who tried to be his mother and is forgotten about... Shinji will have two people...
Yui Ikari/Evangelion Unit-01 and ReiII- If the quantum Rei seen in 3.0 and this is infact ReiII then as seen she still is there for him if not physically, also I would love to know what force is making the Quantum Rei(s) appear. As for Yui/01 well this should be self-explanatory, the minute Shinji is in any danger we all know that our favorite unit is gonna come busting out of the Wunder like it is being born.
They may not be there physically for Shinji, but they can give him power over everything else in that world, Gendo/Seele and Wille wouldn't be able to touch Shinji if he decides to go God mode(Unless Unit-13 decides to pull some plan and get a lance).
It like Shinji having a big brother or friend in sense of a guardian angel, no-one may want/need him or like him, but they won't fuck with him because I believe Wille has a inkling of what he can do.
Quantum Rei would almost seem to make Shinji re-think about drowning himself in this short, then Shinji goes towards what he was staring at, in much better condition then at Q's end I might add.
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Hopefully no errors. Wasn't quite sure what context おられました was in since no kanji (Broken down? To have done? Woven?).
ChaddyManPrime wrote:Yeah, I'm willing to bet that Kaworu had the Omega symbol on his back, Shinji is the beginning and Kaworu is the end.
Uhh.... http://wiki.evageeks.org/File:Eva3-33_C0936_plugsuits.jpg Kaworu's plugsuit has an uppercase alpha ("Α") while Shinji's has a lowercase alpha ("α").
I'd pay to see this. A part of me wouldn't mind NGE/EoE Misato "telling it like it is" to NTE Misato. (I totally understand how they both developed in their respective stories, though.)
EDIT, about sequel theory talk:
As said before, 2.0 CRC and Entry File 1 (1.0 book) flat-out state the weirdness we see in NTE is from its Second Impact (just doesn't always say how, like the 1.0 chalk outline: Inferred to be one of the ADAMs but it could be something else for all we know). The only thing that needs explaining is Kaworu's lines.
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Did anyone else find that this was the first of the animExpo shorts which was laggy and juddery? Not helped by their player not buffering ahead, so I couldn't even pause and wait for it to finish coming down the wire.
Not sure if it was just my low bandwidth connection, or Khara getting swamped by Eva fans.
Not sure if it was just my low bandwidth connection, or Khara getting swamped by Eva fans.
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I watched all 7 back-to-back last night--my connection was definitely getting laggy for some of the shorts. Not sure if was just the site buffering system or Eva fans making things slow.
Hell, I bet they made this Animator Expo short when they did to see just how high of a hit count they'll get.
Sequel theory talk merged with this thread. As a reminder...
PLEASE don't make this thread back and forth sequel theory arguing, folks!! There's plenty of other threads to take that discussion:
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9474/Rebuild-not-a-sequel-but-perhaps-an-alternate-reality/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/6022/A-remake-or-a-sequel/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/13416/Remake-Sequel-Discussion/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/13212/Sequel-theory-once-again/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/12673/Why-do-people-hate-the-Sequel-Theory/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/12166/Za-Beasto-Sequel-Theory-Shinji-manning-up-and-honorifics/
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9716/NME-Sequel-Prequel-Pfft-try-a-Midquel/
(Excluded any locked threads.)
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Again, Anno the king of the trolls. IMO, Shinji dying would be predictable, so it's not what I expect. What I expected was a lot of people trying to find facts in a short film that is 100% symbolism
So a little tribute to the franchise (manga included) and the sequel supporters start they battle again?? If you think Anno is gonna tell you that in a short film you're soooo wrong. And that comes from someone who doesn't like that theories but could accept a time loop. But direct sequel?? Even theories have limits.
So a little tribute to the franchise (manga included) and the sequel supporters start they battle again?? If you think Anno is gonna tell you that in a short film you're soooo wrong. And that comes from someone who doesn't like that theories but could accept a time loop. But direct sequel?? Even theories have limits.
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I just treat this vid as "another montage we will never see in the movie".
I stopped caring about sequel/loop theories long ago and see no point in arguing about it. Everything will be plausible at this point, even wizard of Oz reverting Impacts.
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Jäeger: I do like how both shorts (this and Peaceful times) had snow in Tokyo-III like the Sadamoto manga final volume.
I guess it's something in the back of their minds from the "battle in the snow" idea Gainax/Anno had for EoE.
Like other folks have mentioned, it would be fun to actually see a snowy Tokyo-3 in FINAL, but who knows.
Please just forget about sequel thread discussion and take it into the bumped Remake or a Sequel thread or one of the other available ones, mmkay?
I guess it's something in the back of their minds from the "battle in the snow" idea Gainax/Anno had for EoE.
Like other folks have mentioned, it would be fun to actually see a snowy Tokyo-3 in FINAL, but who knows.
Please just forget about sequel thread discussion and take it into the bumped Remake or a Sequel thread or one of the other available ones, mmkay?
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Sicarius VI wrote:Even if he is abandoned by someone who tried to be his mother and is forgotten about... Shinji will have two people...
Yui Ikari/Evangelion Unit-01 and ReiII- If the quantum Rei seen in 3.0 and this is infact ReiII then as seen she still is there for him if not physically, also I would love to know what force is making the Quantum Rei(s) appear. As for Yui/01 well this should be self-explanatory, the minute Shinji is in any danger we all know that our favorite unit is gonna come busting out of the Wunder like it is being born.
People that aren't batshit crazy or Eldritch Abominations would be nice, and the way you describe his future life will be really shitty: in short everyone hates him and want to get rid of him, and the only thing that keeps him in one piece is an unholy world-ending giant monstrosity that keeps everyone in check.
Sailor Star Dust wrote:My quickie translation:Yamashita wrote:Hiramatsu's Eva New Theatrical original story's work was a world forgotten with time, he was continuously drawing Shinji and the others image. [He/We?] really wanted to do this. And Kushida's background atmosphere is also wonderful.
Hopefully no errors. Wasn't quite sure what context おられました was in since no kanji (Broken down? To have done? Woven?).
Wouldn't the passage "a world forgotten with time" rather mean "a world forgotten by time", as in a place where time stopped (everything "frozen" by core erosion and the floating ruins of NERV), if I may turn on the wild speculation, that could imply that in the rest of the world, the time didn't stopped, but continued advancing, like the people of WILLE, thus hinting that things aren't as bad as around Tokyo-3?
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I'm looking at all the discussion about this short, and it's great... but I still feel like analyzing it as if it's anything other than somebody else's interpretation of Eva other than Anno's about this one small section of the film is a mistake.
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Do we have any reason to think this isn't just Anno using the Animator Expo to give a promising animator, who worked on Q and got a raw deal during the editing process for that film, some much-needed exposure? I mean, given the purpose of the Expo and the director's backstory that sounds like an awfully compelling summary of the short's background and purpose to me, so I'm not sure why people are reading more into it.
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Pretty much what Bags said, Freaky. I don't see a reason why this should be taken as canon-- after all, somebody that wasn't Anno did it, and people are trying to make sense out of it as if it's a stepping stone to Shin.
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