Worst Case Scenario Ending?

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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:42 pm

That's the opposite of the Brazil ending. in Brazil, the character gets exactly what he wants, just in the realm of his mind, and not in the Real world.

That's overtly pessimistic. . . but this is the worst case scenario thread.

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Postby NemZ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:56 pm

Stillborn: So basically Shiji is broken down to the point of... well, being Rei2 before she met Shinji. Just a thing that exists, doing what must be done until permission to die is granted.

Also my version would only be a time loop if you think rebuild is a sequel. I don't take that view, but yes, in that case the result that everyone is doomed forever to keep trying and failing to do better is pretty much worst case scenario.
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:58 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:For me personally the worst possible ending would be one of Anno's idea from the TV days that got vetoed by the rest of the staff:
Anno just talking into the camera.


View Original Posthui43210 wrote:I think it came from an interview actually.



Dudes, that was a metaphoric expression; He was talking about EoTV.

View Original PostRay wrote:EOE Ending (Retread):

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horribly depressing ending




Uh, no. While it was not all sunshine and sparkles (anything else wouldn't be realistic), a life-affirming peace of work where the MC comes to accept himself and life after giving the supposed singularity a fair trial is not what I'd file under "worst case".

The ending shows us that lies and misunderstandings and human difficulties are back in the world; you're supposed to substitute the "...and so, eventually will the possibility for good things happening" for yourself, by paying attention to the scene immediately before.

They'll have to do some rebuilding, but basicaly everybody lives (except maybe Rei and most likely Kaworu), even the ppl that got shot full of holes earlier in the movie. And if Shinji couldn't finish offing Asuka right after weeks of isolation (and she didn't take the cjance to bash his head in while he was asleep), we can trust them not to kill each other untill some reasonable adults detang.
Just don't expect them to be chill and jovially have tea right after they've gone through this mindfuck; Of course it will take work.

Trees already have. You see that wave of blue going over the earthball as EVA 01 flies away? That's the marine life and plankton detanging, all sort of smalll primitive things than run purely on self-perservation drives. We can expect corvids, Octopusses and mammals to take a bit longer, but if Asuka came back...
It should accelerae with time, I guess the more humans have returned, the less "complementing" the resulting mix of souls will be.

EoE is aleady much happier than anything that Q could still reasonably result in; There's still a chance that Misato might get married, for starters.


View Original PostRay wrote:The "Revenge Porn" Ending:


Anno wouldn't ever do this and Shinji isn't like this.

He might get really pissed and have a little episode á la early eps 19 and 26´, but he couldn't keep this up long enough to implement a plan.

Also, consider the mindset he's in at the end of Q: He just doesn't want to break anything anymore or see more things wasted.

Also, he never really hated WILLE & co that much.
He was pissed that they weren't telling him anything, or things that as far as he could tell directly conflicted with the observable reality in front of his eyes, and, this being the biggie, he had no idea why.

All the stroppy frustration he had with Misato (which never really went beyond, "WTF is the meaning of this, and what about me?" ) evaporates the instant he sees the city.
He laments her work going to waste later and doesn't comment on her trying to get rid of EVA 13 with her ship beyond "Ah, it's Misato.", it was ally obvious that he didn't want to fight Asuka in the slightest.

Even any thoughts of "I'll show them that I CAN be helpful!" should be totally quelled, and really, those were more related to being a teenager than anything else.

Shinji doesn't do revenge.
He sure does lashing out in immediate anger, but there's important distinctions between those two things.

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View Original PostRay wrote:The Booker Dewitt Ending (Brainwashing):


I don't see why you would even consider basically the genre being changed from artsy Sci-Fi war movie to Mystery.
Do they even have memorywipes in the EVA verse?

Well, we could assume that this linne of Fuyu's is to be read literally, it's a comon interpretation, but assuming they had amnestics when there still was civilization, why would they have them now?

Gendo & co is no longer directly interacting with people much...

Also, do you even need fake IDs etc in some post apocalyptic colony? I don't think there's any sort of central givernment left.

Also, again, Anno wouldn't do this.



View Original PostRay wrote:The Shinji Suicide Ending:

Exactly what it says on the tin. a heroic sacrifice, putting a gun to the head, him accepting instrumentality as opposed to rejecting it, detonating the choker himself etc. I do NOT want the Rebuilds to end with Shinji dying in any way.

[...]Especially not through the most despicable way anyone can die.


Fucking empathyless western society that untill recently wouldn't even put suicide-ees on proper graveyards, the damn catholics still do.

A system that promises you eternal bliss after croaking sort of needs to revile suicide if it doesn't want ppl to take the short way to it, and there's its sick fetishization of senseless suffering as something that's supposed to "temper" and "transform" you, spitting on the pain that does demand to be felt and people who can't retain dignity wen they're fucking dying.

It makes me so, so pissed, it hard to put it into words. Even when ppl have long since forsaken the religion that created this idea, they still paint people who kill themselves as "selfish", "hateful" and "thinking they're to good for the world" - things that are pretty hateful in themselves when you've bothered to look up a few articles about what actually goes on in the heads of such people.

The process often comes with a perception of oneself as different and out of place, as the one, bad thing in a world that is more likely to be associated with "positive-ish qualities" than bad ones. These are not people who curse the world and think it's horrible, they are ppl who feel undeserving or useless, like they're a burden or a stain.

This is why bullied people in affluent nations kill themselves a lot, but ppl living in civil-war torn, piss-poor countries do it far less than you'd expect.

Also, this thing called deconstruction: If you read suicide notes, you'd find things like "I want to quit the band" and "Don't forget to feed the dog" far more often than big musings around the word. PPl compartamentalize and minimalize things down to their basic components;
And it tends to happen to people who are iin a state of being extremely critical of themselves but not necessarily other things, a bit of a "It's all MY fault" mentality... so basically 25' was accurate enough.

It gets partiularly creepy when you read that bit about ppl choosing methods hat cause types of pain/unpleasantness they're already desensitized to.

Shinji tried the lake in 25' because his line of work involves being submerged in liquid.


People end their own existences for basically three reasons:

a) There's something off with their brain chemistry

That's not their fault.

b) They thought everyone would be better off without them.

And then, it often turns out that they ARE missed and that ppl are NOT better off, and they'll never know.
That is a tragedy.

Especially when you consider that it is often a momentary affect thing: Electric ovens get introduced? Suicide rate drops 30% because fume exposure doesn't work anymore. You put a fence on a bridge? Rate in the overall area goes down. Most do not jump off another bridge.

Something good randomly happens; Someone tell them they are loved; They might even go and make a mindfucky anime.

There's no reason that Asuka, Shinji and Rei can't become extraordinary or at least fairly OK dults after the events of the last few episodes, the world is full of such stories, and even less reasons that they'll end up as misantropic douches after the whole teenage thing wears off.

c) They want to keep something that is more important than their life

That's not your average depressed dude, but the exceptional case, which you could say this function is "there for".
This is where you find the "heroic sacrifice" and a terminally ill person who wished to conserve their dignity, or a dude who lost a war and has the enemy marching into their base to torture and humilite them.

While you might argue that some, or most of such causes could be served better by "living humbly", there is something astonishing about the fact that we humans can chose to actively act against the most fundamental drive of life for self-preservation... but this also the machanic allows us to be genuinely altruistic.

With most animal, you can calculate with mathematical precision what they'll risk their lives for: More than two siblings, more than four half-siblings...

Really. I absolutely LOATHE and DESPISE it when ignorant fools, empathyless jerks and religious nutjobs feel they have the right to spit on unfortunate people (and their grieving relatives) who died thinking they were doing everyone a favor when ppl who oved them were right around the corner and call them "despicabe", "selfish" or "misantropic" from the highness of their comfortable chairs and stable lives.

I don't ever want to search for a live performance of some stupid music I like, scroll down and see disbelief that someone who "did such a hateful misantropic thing" would bother to call out some dude for groping a woman or be interested in activism and charity before their drug problems got the better of them.

And telling ppl they're "selfish" and "despicable" for having such thoughts is just gonna make them hate themselves even more. How about telling them that they're not alone? How about, "No, it won't be okay because you won't be there, we're adult people so respect our choice to "put up" with you?" How about recomending them a work or art or a small text by someone who's been through a similar situation and gotten out of it?, or at least consult with a shrink or a self-help group?

Seriously!

...Since Anno didn't jump off anything, it's unlikely that Final!Shinji will. Also, it's one of the basics of Shinji that he's fundamentally incapable. You might as well try a scientifically illiterate Ritsuko, or Misato espousing catholic virtues... One of the scary things he found out when he was thrown into life and death battles was that his apey self-preservation drive is way stronger than he ever thought.
He's capable of charging something with a knife if pushed into a corner. Couple that with being told all his life that he's the son of a muderer and generic PTSD, and you have episode 4.

There's one line from the Rammstein Song "Dalai Lama" that I at first never understood, but then found all the more genius when I finally got it: "Onwards, onwards, into doom/ We must live untill we die."
The song is about a plane related accident, and actually something I've thought about before. When a plane crashes, you will most certainly die, but not right away: You've got some horrible minutes in wich you know it's crashing and you will die, but are not dead yet.

You see the movie "Titanic", where they know they're sinking and "opt out" by the dozens? Probably to feel they have some control. Or when there's a fire or explosion in a high building and you know it will collape, and ppl jump out? Can't do that in a plane. You have to live untill you die.

Shinji's situation in Q is sort of like this in that it makes little sense to ponder wether he'll reach a point at which he'll kill himself later in Final.
He's already past the point he would consider worse than death, and a great deal of irreversible nastiness has taken place.
So yeah, onwards, onwards into doom...


As for the Heroic Sacrifice, which, despite certain similarities, I woldn't file on the same cathegory as just grabbing a gun or accepting instrumentality...

It's a common method to give characters who have accumulated to much bad Karma to get out alive a "positive" ending, precisely when they have done things too large for any sort of finite atonement.
That's the only way I can see the earth getting bluified again; Q had made it clear that Shinji living on a blue earth won't happen.

Darkwing once wrote up a scenario like that that was pretty good, with a bit of "glancing at the promised land" vibe and Shinji dying after stating how beautiful the restored world is.
Shinji living IN a restored word has been firmly ruled out by Q, but world restoration itself is unlikely and you generally want to end stories with teenagers with them as somewhat mor grown up.

But then again, we have to be realistic and consider that he killed billions of people.
There ae situations in this world for which there IS no solution. Life has always been finite.

I'd hate it if the sacrifice was, as it often is with various turncoat villains, very contrived like he's trying to get himself killed. Or maybe that's the point...

I must think of Captain Nemo from "Nadia" who went out like this, after havin caused the destruction of his own kingdom to stop the villain from destroying the whole world.

But he was a revengey person, having just carried it out. I don't see Shinji that single-mindedly focussed on stopping Neo-Nerv.

Maybe if he did it with a sentiment of"I've already dirtied my hands, there's no need for you to do the same"

So, meh I think a "heroic sacrifice" is possible, but not necessarily the single most likely option.
It's always sad when a character you love dies, but all things have "sad" endings; Sometimes they just cut to the credits earlier.

Don't get me wrong - personally, I would prefer Shinji alive and well, ut there are a few things that are worse than death. Such as being treated with hatred and disdain for the rest of your life.


View Original Postxanderkh wrote:To me, personally, the worst kind of ending would be one where Shinji gets NO catharsis. In that, his story just ends with 3.33, and he's left to rot in a cell for the rest of the movie. No reconciliation with Misato or Asuka or Rei, no closure with his father, just nothing, the ultimate meaning to Misato's phrase "You won't do anything anymore", while Wille cleans up his mess and he's left to rot alone for his days as punishment.


That depends.
While he is the protagonist and there is no way he could not get involved so it's clear it won't happen, staying away from EVAs and fights and even the known characters may not be so bad for him.

If he's really just kept in prison for the rest of his life, it really sucks as much as you say, but if he gets assigned menial tasks on the wunder or gets condemned to do some sort of of hard physical labor in the rebuilding efforts (and we've already seen that they don't want to kill him without an explicit reason) after NeonErv is neutralized, that could be one of the best things for him.
There's only so much you can hate/keep hating someone who cleans your stuff gfor you or does the same shitty job as you. Some people can, but Shinji doesn't need to be loved/forgiven by everyone, it's enough if he can find a quiet, peaceful circle/life for himself where he can exist withou being hated-at from every direction.
If they see him as a cell and guard him, it's one thing, but if they work with him and interact with him as a human being, sure it would be hard/tough at first, but he's a tenacious person.
It would be better if he could have a fresh start without the only thing binding them together being a distant past in a different world and the baggage of a percieved personal betrayal.

EVA and Misato and his father would just be a part of his life that's over... what he'll still have, and still raises the question wether he can even go on in any way is Shinji himself and the knowledge that there is a caual relation between things he did and billions dead, but he'll have that wether he participates in stopping Neo NERV or not.

Unfortunately, it does not seem likely that WILLE will even trust him with cleaning toilets, and 4I should not have improved that; It also depends on slightly unclear factor of how known his name and face are and how the remaining humans are organized/how many there are.

But it doesn't really seem lik waiting it out is an option when you're the fucking MC.


View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:Worst case scenario would be: Anno dying before finishing 4.0.


That's "out of context" kind of bad...

I guess we'll just have to trust Moyoko to keep him away from falling pianos and butthurt fanboys.

View Original PostRay wrote:What would be your pick for the worst possible ending the Rebuilds could have?


...that Anno might actually implement?

LastBoid "purely philosophical victory".

Any scenario where, regardless of what happens to the planet as a whole, Shinji decides to go on living "for the heck of it"/ "because he deserves it and not taking the punishment and blame and mistreatment would be cowardly", but there's no ostensible reason why he won't get hated-at for the rest of his life, which will obviously be rather short because there's no reason that, in a realistic world with the variety of less savoury people and their exasperation by the apocalypse, he won't be lynched as soon as the credits rolled.

Probably would end with Asuka commenting on what a failure he is or telling him with a cold smile or stern, superior face that "you'll have to live in the world you created, just like me...." after she stopped him from accidentally causing final impact or something.
Any ending where you get the feeling he would be better off dead.
Any ending where he doesn't manage to do anything good for a single person, not even the most tiniest good thing.

Because a person can't live on acceptance and moral superiority/compensation alone, and if Anno tries to sell me that, I call bull.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:11 pm

Nope. I meant it literally. Just Anno's beardy face plastered onto the screen talking to the camera. That would be silly and bad and cause murder.

I have no idea where that rumor came from, I just don't remember it being graveyard territory.
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:16 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:Nope. I meant it literally. Just Anno's beardy face plastered onto the screen talking to the camera. That would be silly and bad and cause murder.

I have no idea where that rumor came from, I just don't remember it being graveyard territory.



I was talking about the article itself, not your post. He [Anno] was talking about EoTV, and it was, methinks, in one of Number-kuns shizo/prano translations. Or the June interview with NERV's nuclear baths and all sort of Kaworuey goodness, one of the two places, most likely the former.
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Postby Stillborn » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:39 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Stillborn: So basically Shiji is broken down to the point of... well, being Rei2 before she met Shinji. Just a thing that exists, doing what must be done until permission to die is granted.


If just that happened, at least we could see it as something bad. Shinji broken to the point of becoming robotic like. But I'm afraid that this will be presented as genuinely happy life for Shinji and proper character developement. What supposed to be inhuman in Rei behaviour, here will become "proper value in society". At least Shini's life value...
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:42 pm

@Kendrix

I didn't mean it like that. . . I've personally had issues with suicidal thoughts. but I managed to overcome it. I found a reason for living, and I choose to continue. I call it despicable, because I don't want anyone to have to go through that. the isolation, the loneliness, the pain, it's hell on earth.

I don't blame or hate anyone who commits suicide. I hate people who put them in that position. Theres a reason I hate Gendo, for putting Shinji in that situation rather than Shinji himself. For taking away that reason to live.

I meant the act of suicide in the story would be despicable on the part of Anno, because I just don't want my favorite character to die thinking he's useless and unwanted like I almost did.

I'm sorry if I offended you. . . am I really empathy-less? Maybe I'll reword the OP.

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Postby CJD » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:47 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Also my version would only be a time loop if you think rebuild is a sequel. I don't take that view, but yes, in that case the result that everyone is doomed forever to keep trying and failing to do better is pretty much worst case scenario.


Just for the record, if that's the case they're not necessarily doomed to failure.
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Postby Stillborn » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:56 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:I just don't want my favorite character to die thinking he's useless and unwanted.


Sorry for cutting this out of context, but Shinji's problem is... That he is. They keep him around out of necessity and because its safer for them. But he is useless. Misato pretty much stated this. And they don't really want him around but can't afford to lose sight of him since he's a ticking bomb, as if they didn't had enough troubles with Gendo.

And I'm afraid that Shinji's catharsis will be pretty much accepting all this and still groveling for attention like a beggar, convinced he don't even deserve this attention. And that we will be hammered to believe that he is right.
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:16 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:@Kendrix

I didn't mean it like that. . . [...]

I'm sorry if I offended you. . .


No, sorry, I'm the moron who misunderstood and hastily sprouted that rant;

I'd argue that this "putting into position talk" is... not how I'd view things, but I'm not really in any position to opine on your experiences.

But he is useless.


Hm. He may really be in the context of the post timeskip world. That's not really a way you sould consider/think about people, Shinji desperately neeeds that speech Rukia gave to Orihime in episode Howamisupposedtoremember, but he lives in a world that's crueler than ever and can afford less kindness than ever...

But I don't think it necessarily HAS to lead to this conclusion. I'd hate it as well, but he might also stop assigning energy efficiency grades to human beings (or actually, just himself) and keep this up despite the word, not in the naive way that lead to Bardiel, but in a more tempered, ubermench-y way.

If he is to get through this, I think it is important that he reach a conclusion that he doesn't really want to stop feeling or caring when he does shit wrong without making it a punishment or taking away from the idea that, when you do things, they sometimes simply can go wrong, especially when you're inexperiences, you just have to keep on trying. That was I think, also what Kaworu was trying to tell him during the piano scene.

Something sysyphean/camus-y, disposition wise.

It IS hard when we're talking about something so huge and heavy; Only a psychopath could just detach himself from billionds of dead people by philosophic reasoning, even if he really could not have known, never meant for it and was totally manipulated into it.

I think he needs to do the reasoning while keeping the feelings, making them deliberate.
But again, billions dead is just so huge, it IS literally posssible for things to not be manageable, many kinds of cancer are.

Or maybe I'm just talking nutsy particuli into the air that no one can follow, but...

Either Anno has a terribly genius idea up his sleeve, or he's written himself into a corner, or I agree with his message less than I thought; we'll see, I guess.
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Postby NemZ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:25 pm

View Original PostCJD wrote:Just for the record, if that's the case they're not necessarily doomed to failure.


If rebuild is both a prequel and a sequel, which is implied in this 'loop theory', then I fail to see how it can ever end any way other than it is predestined to go. Each iteration will wish to try again resulting in the other doomed attempt, and then just alternating like that forever.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:35 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:Just Anno's beardy face plastered onto the screen talking to the camera.


The only way I could see this as a remote possibility is some post-credits thing in Final where he's personally addressing the audience.

Considering he recently mentioned he's been rewriting the script for Final as needed (though the provisional script is done), I doubt the whole movie would consist of this.

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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:35 pm

@ Kendrix : was the long rant about suicide really necessary?

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View Original PostRay wrote:Dieu Ex Machina Ending:

Time loop theory, alternate universes, it being revealed Shinji didn't cause N3I, a cop out troll ending, the world being reset after instrumentality. Take your pick.

Just to clarify, Shinji did caused N3I, we saw it happening and being stopped in 2.0.
What most people mean by him not causing Third Impact is that what we saw at the end of 2.0 is not what ravaged so hard the Hakone region and maybe the rest of the world, in short that he didn't killed billions of people(if it even happened...), and that wouldn't be a cop-out because even without that charge against him he still has things to make up for : N3I, N4I and the damages WILLE took while stopping the latter, and on a personal level, he's directly responsible for Kaworu's death.
All that is more than enough to make him learn some life lessons, seriously questioning his behavior until now, notably his tendency to close his heart to others when stressed or upset and put him in a quest to make up for his past screw-ups, while it being actually believable, as making up for killing most of the planet is impossible without a reset button involved, and 3.0 already showed us that it was a no-go.

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Now as for the rest of bad endings, I think everyone covered all the possibilities, personally I think xanderkh's scenario to be the worst : Shinji is put in isolation and the rest of WILLE clean up after his screw-ups and saves the world, and then everyone goes to continue their lives, Misato, Asuka, Mari and Co forever remembered as heroes who protected and saved mankind while Shinji will be eternally infamous as the pathetic kid who nearly destroyed the world for his own selfish wishes. The people from his old life never want anything to do with him anymore, there will never be any confrontation, any closure. That he'll never be redeemed publicly(mankind as a whole) or even more personally(the people he cared for, mainly Misato and Asuka, still thinking he's a failure that brought more bad than good)

That in the end, it can objectively be said that the balance of his acts in life is negative, that he did more harm than good, and that everyone would had been better if he just never existed, that the better he'll be able to do is small goods things, like cooking meals for the people he cares for and being worried about their health, and that everything bad he did had apocalyptic consequences.

That he lives the rest of his life alone, unable to connect to anyone else after seeing everyone that he cared for suffering or dying, haunted by the voices of the people he unwittingly killed, his former friends not wanting to contact him of see him ever again, ReiQ going on her life without looking back, and Shinji staying behind and alone, a relic of the past mechanically existing and waiting for the moment of his death.

Actually no, scratch that, I do have an even worst scenario : all of the above, but instead of Shinji in a cell and later living alone, he completely lost his mind after the event of Q and ended in a mental ward, completely insane and detached from reality, trapped in his own delirious mind endlessly torturing him with the voices and hallucinations of his former friends, both the living and the dead, unable to contact reality anymore, unable to find an exit in this self-inflicted hell, having to be constantly restrained or heavily drugged or he'll start trying to do self-harm and try to kill himself, Misato, Asuka, ReiQ, Mari, Sakura and maybe Kaji or other if they are still alive visiting him in the hope that they can help him get better, but little by little abandoning after seeing the utter lack of improvement, finally stopping visiting him, with the last shot of Shinji alone in a straitjacket and in a padded cell, endlessly tortured by his own mind and constantly mumbling that he's sorry and that he never wanted any of this to happen...

Meanwhile Gendo and Yui are in a metaphysical beach inside EVA-01's core floating in space, happy to finally be together again, because Anno is a dick! :tongue:
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:16 pm

@Mariachi

I bet Anno's consistently refreshing the page and taking notes right now.

Okay I' adding THAT to the list of worst case scenarios

When you make it THAT depressing, Shinji pulling a Booker Dewitt is the least terrible out of all the options I've listed.

Maybe that's how 4.0 starts. Three years after the events of 3.0 Shinji is living out his life as Souji Rokubungi in Neo-Berlin. Ignorant that he is "Impact Boy Ikari". As far as the public is concerned Shinji Ikari died when he set off N3I. Of course, Misato and Wille need him for the final battle with Seele and Gendo so they bring him back into the fold, and undo the memory wipe. He is NOT happy about it.

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The Wunder. Shinji finally recovering his memories and shaking in horror at the return of all the guilt.


Sakura:

When the guilt became too much for you to handle-

Ritsuko:

You turned to us to solve your problem. Or rather. . . Misato did. She took pity on you. I suppose she wanted you to have the normal life that you were denied, free of the guilt, free of the pain, free of persecution. You wanted absolution and forgiveness, and she. . . or rather we gave it to you. A little surgery, Some drugs, a new name, a new home . . . and Shinji Ikari became Souji Rokubungi.

Shinji:

Oh god. Oh God. . . why? Why did you bring me here? Why did you make me remember?

Misato (steps out of the Shadows):

Because we have a use for you.
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Postby CJD » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:20 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:If rebuild is both a prequel and a sequel, which is implied in this 'loop theory', then I fail to see how it can ever end any way other than it is predestined to go. Each iteration will wish to try again resulting in the other doomed attempt, and then just alternating like that forever.


You'd be right if there was no variance between loops but that's not the case. It's not a case of the universe repeating second for second, each loop is different. If looping is a wish on Shinji's part, stated or unconsciously willed, then the world will just repeat until one of the loops is so different that Shinji doesn't want to redo so to speak. Plus you have Kaworu playing Phil Connors so who knows what effect he has in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: Not trying to start a time loop/sequel argument here, I purposefully avoid those arguments. Just trying to figure out why you think they'd be stuck.
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:02 pm

Anno: [The script?] is already finished provisionally, but I am reworking it, rewriting over and over again.


That's just typical Anno.

3.0 CR fucking WHEN?

As for Shinji going nuts, hm. At least the veil of madness would mitigate the clear, lucid certainty of THREE BILLION PEOPLE DEAD.

(Which is also why it won't happen)

This type of sadness always really gets me, so I had this vision of an older aged Sakura telling ppl the kid she's bringing with her is her younger brother who hasn't spoken since he saw 4I up close.

He sits down in a ruined school and plays an old rusty piano; The knowledge of how to read notes has been lost, so a few kids gather as he plays the old, lost tunes from an old songbook.

Too shakespearian/romantizised for EVA, tho.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:07 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:That's just typical Anno.


How so? Somebody asked him a question (which they weren't supposed to at that talk :lol: ) and he answered.

3.0 CR fucking WHEN?


Maybe later this year? Unless they're really waiting until Final to release both CRCs together?
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:09 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:How so?


In the sense that he always rewrites things 1000 times. Compare proposal to finished product, or earlier 2.0 scripts to later ones.

He could probably give Asuka lessons in perfectionism...
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Postby Ray » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:31 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:In the sense that he always rewrites things 1000 times. Compare proposal to finished product, or earlier 2.0 scripts to later ones.

He could probably give Asuka lessons in perfectionism...


This fills me with both horror and hope. I think I feel better now. . . at least it will be a decent film, even if its message doesn't synch up 100%

Heh . . . synch. . . I made an Eva pun.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:35 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:This fills me with both horror and hope


It'll be fine, seriously. :asuka_thumbsup: He revised both NGE/EoE and the new movies a bunch before either final product was released, and (so far, IMO) things have been good.
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