Why "3rd Angel" now = "4th Angel"?

[Rahxephon]

[Topic title edited by me to be more clear and descriptive. Was simply "4th Angel". - Monk]

In the series, the first angel that shows up in ep 1 is called the third angel. 1. Adam 2. Lilith 3. Him (forgot name)... but in rebuild movie one when he shows up when Shinji first shows up in tokyo, fuyutski and gendo call him the 4th angel. Why the change?

Is it because 1. Adam 2. Lilith 3. Lilim?

Or did another angel we didnt get to see show up before that one in rebuild, as evidenced by the crime scene type body outline shown by the collapsed building (Tokyo 1 or 2?) at the VERY beginning?

Or did that body outline mean something else?

Also theres been lots of talk about the changing the core things, pilots can pilot any eva as long as their respective cores are changed out?

What I find interesting is that when Shinji sees 01 for the first time and says theres no way he can pilot it, and his father tells him hes useless and cant use the backup...

Ritsuko says " Switch Unit 01's Core unit to the L-00 type"

L-00 type? Lilith type?

any ideas?

[gchristnsn]

Probably, this may help: http://wiki.evageeks.org/Angels#List_of_Angels

[Monk Ed]

I wish this could have been a big mystery. I remember fanwanking like hell (albeit briefly, and not much) back when 1.x was out but not 2.0 yet.

Unfortunately, it wound up being barely a footnote. The Third Angel is seen right at the beginning of 2.x -- it's the one Mari fights.

Um, my temptation is to lock the thread now that the question has been answered but I'm going to wait a while first to see if any further discussion results from this (like further questions about the 3rd Angel or 4th Angel, I guess?) and if so I'll rename the topic or merge as needed, etc. But if there's nothing further (of substance) in like 10 or 12 hours I'll lock it as an answered question. The main reason I'm leaving it open is in honor of the original very broad title "4th Angel"; it wouldn't be right of me to lock a topic that on its face might seem to be about something broader than a single question if that's indeed the direction it heads.

[Rahxephon]

Ok sounds good has the fact that they called Rei's core "L-00" been discussed?

Could this be a hint that the soul inside Rei's eva is what everyone thought? Liliths soul or an aspect of it?

[gchristnsn]

Ok sounds good has the fact that they called Rei's core "L-00" been discussed?

Could this be a hint that the soul inside Rei's eva is what everyone thought? Liliths soul or an aspect of it?

There is a thread with quotes you may find interesting.

Personally, I think that the biggest hint on contents of 00's core is the moment from 2.0 when Unit 01 takes it out from Angel's core. Multiple Rei's heads were shown. This meas that the core may contain multiple copies of Rei's personality. The multiplicity may be a hint that a copy of personality may be used. Probably, copies are used widely in the rebuild. Unit-05 also should contain a copy of Mari's mother personality.

[Shinoyami65]

There is a thread with quotes you may find interesting.

Personally, I think that the biggest hint on contents of 00's core is the moment from 2.0 when Unit 01 takes it out from Angel's core. Multiple Rei's heads were shown. This meas that the core may contain multiple copies of Rei's personality. The multiplicity may be a hint that a copy of personality may be used. Probably, copies are used widely in the rebuild. Unit-05 also should contain a copy of Mari's mother personality.

Possibly the multiple Rei heads from Unit-00's core may be linked to the gallery of severed Rei heads from Q- although those may have been created during the timeskip, and this really isn't the place for this discussion.

[Jurrasic]

Possibly the multiple Rei heads from Unit-00's core may be linked to the gallery of severed Rei heads from Q- although those may have been created during the timeskip, and this really isn't the place for this discussion.

I always thought that it was a simple callback to the ``Reiquarium`` With Rei acknowleging the fact that she is a clone, and she can be replaced by another if needed.

[gchristnsn]

Possible. But if to assume that everything could be treated literally and in NGE Rei's personality also was in 00, presence of multiple Rei's personalities is also possible, although less possible in this key.

[K40s]

I find more interesting the chalk outline, to my knowledge it hasn't been explained yet... maybe it's just left overs from a battle between Eva-01 and the actual 3rd Angel? Maybe Rei piloted Eva-01 fought the 3rd Angel, ending in its capture, Rei being hurt and the chalk outline of where the 3rd angel or Eva-01 crashed?

[Monk Ed]

None of these have anything to do with the 4th Angel... And K40s's post above makes no sense to me in light of the fact that we already know who/what the 3rd Angel is.

You guys raised a lot of interesting things, but nearly each of them is worth a topic on their own, so, go do that. In the meantime, this topic has lost its purpose.