[Music] Lady Gaga (Question)

[child of Lilith]

But you can't deny you learn news there, right? (I have 2ch to get the news, but surely most who do not read Japanese find their news there) The problem with sankaku is how it presents the news...

No, I suppose I can't. But what I meant was that the "news" on Sankaku should be read mostly for entertainment. The guy that runs the place certainly isn't interested in presenting it in a fare an unbiased form.

[THE Hal E. Burton 9000]

is she trying to goad Disney into re-re-making 101 Dalmatians with her channeling Cruella de Vil here?

[Bomby von Bombsville]

So I'd just like to announce that I've had a change of heart on Gaga recently. Gaga rocks. Especially "Bad Romance."

[THE Hal E. Burton 9000]

^NOOOOOOOOOOO!! Bomby!



just when the popularity was fading with her and Bieber and the other hacks, you defected

[symbv]

Gaga and the critic

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[Xard]

This is why Gaga is awesome

[THE Hal E. Burton 9000]

depends on your definition of "awesome"

off-topic (or perhaps not): I was amused by the ads from Amazon on Sankuku there with all the homo-male coffee table smut/art books and photo albums, no coincidence IMO

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

What's this? Gaga releases her best video since Bad Romance and nobody says a thing?

[child of Lilith]

Damn you Vevo, you have failed me. Thankfully youtube XL was there to pick up the slack.

Good video, by the way. I especially like the ending.

[chaosakita]

GaGa actions in support of the LGBT, GaGa latest creation "Born This Way" is a cheer for gay people's songs, she encouraged everyone to be brave to do yourself.

Haha, Gaga's support of the LGBT community is laughable.

But I guess that somehow makes me homophobic to say that.

[Tankred]

Haha, Gaga's support of the LGBT community is laughable.

Second.

[Born of Lilith]

Haha, Gaga's support of the LGBT community is laughable.

But I guess that somehow makes me homophobic to say that.

I'm LGBT and I couldn't agree more.

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

I'll admit, Gaga's activism is one of the silliest things about her but it's hardly a bad thing. Yes, she panders like there's no tomorrow, but if you want to get things done, that's sort of how you have to be. I wish I could say otherwise, but you can't sway the masses with complexity or subtlety; you need to be as loud, blunt and as simplistic as a bronze club smashing through bone. In the past year, DADT was repealed and New York legalized same sex marriage. It's possible that it would have still happened without Gaga screaming about it over twitter or covering her body in jerky, but it's not like she's doing any harm by offering a rallying call.

[Born of Lilith]

I think all of us ragging on her "activism" are just talking about it from an art-oriented standpoint... I'll only speak for myself here, though, just in case.

[chaosakita]

I'll admit, Gaga's activism is one of the silliest things about her but it's hardly a bad thing. Yes, she panders like there's no tomorrow, but if you want to get things done, that's sort of how you have to be. I wish I could say otherwise, but you can't sway the masses with complexity or subtlety; you need to be as loud, blunt and as simplistic as a bronze club smashing through bone. In the past year, DADT was repealed and New York legalized same sex marriage. It's possible that it would have still happened without Gaga screaming about it over twitter or covering her body in jerky, but it's not like she's doing any harm by offering a rallying call.

I think it lets people think they love the "fabulous gays" because they support Gaga. Lots of people I know who support Gaga the most are very condescending to gays or even homophobic (as in "gay marriage is wrong, but effeminate gay people are so funny!").

If we need Gaga to convince our government to repeal DADT and get gay marriage, we're kinda fucked.

Also, for someone who pretends to support equality, she's incredibly racist.

There are so many things wrong with Lady Gaga, even including her music. I liked most of The Fame/The Fame Monster, but 90% of Born This Way is complete shit. That's also when Gaga moved away from making fun songs produced by RedOne/Fusari and wanted to appeal to insecure, pudgy middle-class suburban girls instead.

[MugwumpHasNoLiver]

I think all of us ragging on her "activism" are just talking about it from an art-oriented standpoint... I'll only speak for myself here, though, just in case.

In that case, I agree completely. She somehow manages the hefty feat of being simultaneously preachy and obtuse. She seems to eager te please all of her gay fans that she's willing to attache a pro-gay meaning to pretty much anything, regardless of how much of a non-sequitur it seems.

Whoa, chaosakita, you're throwing a lot of points out really quickly a not elaborating on them. How is Gaga racist? What songs on Born This Way are meant to appeal to fat girls? I can kind of see the argument for two or three of them (Born This Way, Hair, Bad Kids), but the majority of them are either autobiographical or meditations on Gaga's own obsessions. Besides, the album still has a lot of fun dance songs (Marry The Night. Government Hooker, Judas, Americano.) I do agree that it's not as good as The Fame Monster, but it's about par withThe Fame, which also had a lot of weak songs.

As for miserably and contemptuous human beings attaching to Gaga to achieve the illusion of being supportive ... Well, that's not her fault, that's humanity's fault. As long as there have been causes, there have beet people who latch onto them to delude themselves into thinking that they're better than they are. Not all of her heterosexual fans are so loathsome.

[chaosakita]

Whoa, chaosakita, you're throwing a lot of points out really quickly a not elaborating on them. How is Gaga racist? What songs on Born This Way are meant to appeal to fat girls? I can kind of see the argument for two or three of them (Born This Way, Hair, Bad Kids), but the majority of them are either autobiographical or meditations on Gaga's own obsessions. Besides, the album still has a lot of fun dance songs (Marry The Night. Government Hooker, Judas, Americano.) I do agree that it's not as good as The Fame Monster, but it's about par with[ i]The Fame[/i], which also had a lot of weak songs.

Uh oh. Lack of evidence I'm failing my debate round!

So here are some links to peruse at your pleasure:

http://projectqueer.tumblr.com/post/2575690013/lady-gagas-corporate-sponsors-arent-exactly-gay
http://girlboymusic.tumblr.com/post/3507956831/barthel-dyfl-replied-to-your-post-gaga-and
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/features/Andrew-Eaton-39Is-Born-This.6721456.jp
http://totheexperts.tumblr.com/post/5433600516

Also, calling Latina girls "chola" - really sensitive. And apparently, I'm "oriental." Maybe you don't think it counts. But you don't have to be a member of Stormfront to be racist.

Part of Lady Gaga's shtick is to appeal to troubled teenager, both gay and not, such as those with self-image issues. There's definitely the whole "be who you want to be" and "don't listen to those haters" theme going through her songs and image.

Compare The Fame ("Poker Face" - about sex or something, "Just Dance" - about getting drunk, "Paparazzi" - about stalking) with Born This Way ("Born This Way" - you're fabulous!, "Marry the Night" - I'm so empowered, "Hair" - I'm so free and individualistic). Maybe I got those a bit wrong wrong (I listened to the album once) and it's a small sample, but I think there's a definite change in tone.

All of the songs you've listed are pretty junk, in my opinion. Judas is probably the most bearable song on the track (especially since I think about the character named Judas in the novel I'm writing, lol), especially since it was composed by RedOne, but seriously, the rest of the songs aren't that great. Music is really subjective, so it's not really worth debating. I stand firmly on my belief, though, that her best songs were with RedOne. Although Rainbow Unicorn gets point docked off for being a Poker Face rip-off.

As for miserably and contemptuous human beings attaching to Gaga to achieve the illusion of being supportive ... Well, that's not her fault, that's humanity's fault. As long as there have been causes, there have beet people who latch onto them to delude themselves into thinking that they're better than they are. Not all of her heterosexual fans are so loathsome.

Well Gaga herself is attaching onto the LGBT movement. Hmmm...

I have a lot of friends who like Gaga (just like racist people have black friends, lol), but they all have this annoying habit of trying to make themselves seem interesting. But that's a teenager thing.

[THE Hal E. Burton 9000]

Haha, Gaga's support of the LGBT community is laughable.

But I guess that somehow makes me homophobic to say that.

I have always thought her utterances on the subject always came across as $in¢ere but $$$$hallow

that, and everything else I have already posted about her hack status and sore lack of good, original songs

now she's even copying the Cinema Snob and Annie Lennox with the "Jo Calderone" bit

[C.A.P.]

For Slate fans: someone there thinks Gaga is "pop's leading conservative."

Read why!

[chaosakita]

For Slate fans: someone there thinks Gaga is "pop's leading conservative."

Read why!

I definitely agree. There is hardly anything revolutionary about anything Gaga does. Even her outlandish clothing is simply a mainstream knock-off of what has been going on behind the scenes in fashion and art for years.