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[EvaCub]

[Stuff about Shinji]

No.

Characters don't "have to" do anything. Shinji is what he is. Change him, make him follow the "rules", then you undermine the whole deal.

and defeat the whole purpose of Shinji
I hope anno ends Reva with a "life sucks, but make the best out of it"
I wouldnt mind another EoE though

[Xard]

I hope anno ends Reva with a "life sucks, but make the best out of it"
I wouldnt mind another EoE though

same thing

[Eva Yojimbo]

I just watched Haibane Renmei and I absolutely loved it. In middle episodes I saw a lot of cutting and camerawork which were nigh non-existent before Evangelion. I watched Paranoia Agent some time ago. Before Eva such show would've been impossible to make. And "pillow shots" weren't even nearly as often seen before Eva than after it.

@Haibane Renemei: Glad to hear it!
@Pillow Shots: *cough*GraveoftheFireflies*cough* ;)
@Rest of Rant: Dead on.

However, I'm less... enthusiastic about this point than I once was. Perhaps because I now know of many great artists I respect who had the mentality of creating for an audience rather than for themselves. Two good examples; The commentary for All About Eve has a quote from Joseph L. Mankiewicz whom hated the auteurism side of film, essentially saying that by moving the camera and experimenting with visuals the directors were saying "Look at me! Look at what I can do!" and ignoring the goings-on on-screen. Billy Wilder also famously said "An audience is never wrong. An individual member of it may be an imbecile, but a thousand imbeciles together in the dark - that is critical genius."

So there will always be this debate about the nature of an artist working for an audience VS an audience working for the artist. I think I've always sided with the latter simply because it seems the most profound art has always come out of a personal need to express, rather than a want to please. Most every complaint about NGE comes from the POV of people wanting what they desire out of entertainment. They want heroes, they only want mysteries if they're explained, they want growth and optimism. People don't want reality invading fantasy and mucking it up. They don't want realism - they get enough of that in life.

I think the only place that group go wrong is in criticizing the works and artists for not catering to them. There are plenty that do, so why must they slam the few that don't? I mean, good grief, every summer there's at least 10 movies that come out that are formula-ready-made to please a mass audience. I think condemning the few malcontents who try to do something new/different (quite often with the result of benefiting the medium and future works) is incredibly narcissistic and inconsiderate.

Try to become beliavable film critic without ever seeing Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Godfather etc. and let's see how you fare.

Not so much with IGN game reviewers. Their twentysomething jerkheads couldn't care less to know anything about gaming apart from today's ever narrowing and more dumbed down titles. Heaven bless them if they've even ever heard of titles such as Ultima, Fallout, Starcraft not to mention even older ones such as legenary Elite. Or worst of all, X-Com.

That's probably because Gaming is the last medium left where it's still 95% entertainment and 5% art, and knowing gaming history is only relevant to the art aspect.

[Xard]

Yeah, well, directing was more than a bit off in first 5 episodes but world was charming and itriguing. Then shows director stepped aside or something and quest directors started. Of course the fact material to be shown began to grow "stronger" around ep 6 too.

It was fantastic show - not near as good as Eva though - and definetly one of the best I've seen. Highpoint of the show might've been 7-9 eps (anyway those centering around [spoiler]the well[/spoiler] though it is all AAA material from ep 6 onwards. Character design was great though I really didn't like Hikari's. It smelled too much Moe for me but luckily I was wrong

Reki immeaditly became my favourite character. :)

@Pillow Shots: *cough*GraveoftheFireflies*cough* ;)

Grave of the Fireflies is extraordinary anime.

"even nearly as often seen"

Not denying there weren't any before.

[Eva Yojimbo]

Check my updated post above.

Yeah, well, directing was more than a bit off in first 5 episodes but world was charming and itriguing. Then shows director stepped aside or something and quest directors started. Of course the fact material to be shown began to grow "stronger" around ep 6 too.

Keeping in mind it's been a while since I saw it, how/where was the directing off in those first few episodes? I found HR an incredibly consistent series in terms of quality (in all areas really).

It was fantastic show - not near as good as Eva though - and definetly one of the best I've seen.

I think the only thing that holds HR back from being labeled better than a show like NGE is its modesty and unambitiousness... much the same could be said of Tokyo Story in relation to Citizen Kane. But it's that very modesty that gives the show elegance and elevates it above most all other anime which, in comparison, is full of pretension.

Highpoint of the show might've been 7-9 eps (anyway those centering around [spoiler]the well[/spoiler] though it is all AAA material from ep 6 onwards.

I think my favorite ep. remains the Festival. The nut-giving bit was a marvelous touch, and the glowing walls is one of those moments of aesthetic bliss I referred to in my review.

Grave of the Fireflies is extraordinary anime. Not denying there weren't any before.

Yes it is. Just saw it for the first time since I was 14 and I must say that it's still the only film that can make be bawl uncontrollably like a little girl. It's odd that pillow shots aren't a staple in anime considering their importance in Asian cinema and literature/poetry. In general the editing and pacing of NGE is pristine and masterful. One of those aspects that you might completely miss first time around but that I've come to respect, in terms of craft, perhaps more than anything else in the series.

[Sailor Star Dust]

I hope anno ends Reva with a "life sucks, but make the best out of it"

That was the point of both endings (EoTV and EoE) if you pay close attention. But yeah, that'd be okay if Anno has that type of ending; but something different would be a nice change.

Shinji is what he is. Change him, make him follow the "rules", then you undermine the whole deal.

QFT.

[Iron Rooster]

Yeah, Shinji is whiny, but the series seems to be journey for him to recover from his shitty childhood. The EoTV is much more upbeat with showing hope than EoE for sure. I really liked the part in the tv ending with everyone telling him congratulations. For Shinji it was . . . happy.

[mrpanda]

EoTV and EoE are ment to be watched together as im sure some of you will agree, EoE was beautiful and delivered some kick ass action but it lacked that depth that 22/23/24 had and therefore didnt have much continuity, while EoTV had all the emotional stuff sorted it lacked the big ending that was needed, for this reason i think anno will combine them for the final webuild movie (that and hes a lazy merchandising whore who will probs repeat 1.0 and copy the show scene for scene)

[Themaninblack]

IGN's opinion of what would make Rebuild good is different than all of yours. Therefore, they must be wrong, and complete idiots.

Right?

So the converse must be true...we all must be otaku losers for having a different opinion....OH-SHI...

[Eva Yojimbo]

but it lacked that depth that 22/23/24 had and therefore didnt have much continuity,

[Evangelion217]

Edit your posts (The "Edit" button is on the top right of the post) instead of double-posting.

But the flip side of this phenomenon is that there is no cohesion to the story, and no theme that can bind the fans together and provide a clear point of focus and critique

That's a bad thing??

EoE was beautiful and delivered some kick ass action but it lacked that depth that 22/23/24 had and therefore didnt have much continuity

Actually it added a lot more depth to the series, and took everything to a whole new level in storytelling. It changed the form of anime.