Let's talk about villains

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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:20 am

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ITT we discuss a key role in any form of fiction: An antagonist. Most stories have one if not several and as we know, they're generally a driving force behind plot progression.

Therefore this is a thread to discuss all sorts of bad guys in any form of fiction, books, movies, plays, TV shows, ANIMU ANIMU ANIMU LOL, vidya gaims, etc.

Let's begin with the typical "name some of your favorite antagonists"

After replaying one of my old N64 games, I have to say Majora from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask is quite awesome despite having little dialogue and being introduced as an actual villain (as opposed to just an inanimate object) near the end of the game. The thing is fucking batshit insane and seems to be incoherently evil and huh, fucked up, I was WTFing through the whole ending including the trippy final battle, what the shit were the game developers smoking?
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Postby SEELE 08 » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:32 am

All I know is I tend to like the villian (especially the ugly ones) better than the protagist. Case in point I'm the lone Keel fangirl.
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Postby BobBQ » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:38 am

Favorite antagonist? Durandal, from Bungie's Marathon trilogy.

At the outset of the story, he's just an AI who handles automated functions aboard a huge colony spaceship. Just before the inevitable alien attack, he goes insane; the protagonist, a forerunner of Halo's Master Chief, is repeatedly kidnapped and forced to either play mind games or run errands for him when said protagonist is supposed to be fighting off the invaders. Eventually the AI giving mission instructions goes offline, leaving Durandal in control until the last couple of levels. At the end of the game, he steals the enemy aliens' starship and goes where no meta-stable personality construct has gone before, taking the protagonist with him for laughs.

In the sequel, Durandal goes from menacing opponent turned ally of convenience to smug benevolent dictator. He sends the protagonist to the surface of a dead planet in the galactic core to free the remains of an enslaved civilization, then kicks alien ass in orbit.

The character had a lot of personality, made possible because the games ran on DOOM-generation engines and used text to do what is now done with cutscenes. Durandal was extremely sarcastic and given to rewarding the protagonist with long philosophical monologues on subjects like evolution, the vicious struggle for survival experienced by all life, freedom, slavery and the inevitable collapse of the universe.

He was also fond of threatening to teleport the player out into space, though he never made good on that threat and even saved the protagonist after his nemesis Tycho actually did.

Some of the loopy computer's lines are still popular jokes in the Bungie community today, over ten years after the third game in the series was released... 'Cause I got a shotgun and you ain't got one, after all.

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Postby AuthenticM » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:17 pm

SHODAN, from System Shock. Thoughout the whole game, she would harass the player as her face appeared on monitors. Since she's an AI, she could not directly harm the player, but she could meddle with everything that was electronic making the player's journey an unsafe one. Not only that, but she has one of the best quote evar! See: [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/SHODAN.ogg[/url]
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Postby KingSpider » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:20 pm

MaggotMaster wrote:Zelda stuff


I find your lack of Kefka disturbing

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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:54 pm

KingSpider wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:Zelda stuff


I find your lack of Kefka disturbing


I find your lack of nWHERE IS SARAH CONNOR
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Postby TriLink » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:17 pm

MaggotMaster wrote:I find your lack of nWHERE IS SARAH CONNOR

I have no clue what that means, but speaking of Sarah Connor, i've gotta go with her nemesis from Terminator 2, the T-1000.

He's the ultimate killing machine because HE IS A MACHINE! The dude gets shot in the face, blown up in his truck, frozen and then shatttered into a million pieces and still comes back. I like Terminators in general, but he's my favorite. Another plus is that he dosen't have a stupid British accent like a lot of villians nowadays.
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Postby Kyle » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:25 pm

The major from the hellsing manga is awsome.What could really be more evil than a little fat man with and army of nazi vampire's?

Dr.Evil is cool too.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:01 pm

TriLink12 wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:I find your lack of nWHERE IS SARAH CONNOR

I have no clue what that means

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Postby Katayoku no Tenshi » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:06 pm

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'nuff said.

Okay little more said: I like it when an antagonist has a reason to be antagonizing people. It may even be, in his mind, a good reason. Add to that repenting villains or fallen heroes (careful to avoid PLAGERISMTM and stereotyping) and of course insane villains. They're interesting by default.
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Postby TriLink » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:18 pm

Umm, Thanks for clearing that up Reichu.
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Postby Houndour » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:50 pm

Wolf from Starfox 64, and Blue from Pokemon R/B/Y.
Hmm, seems like rivals fill the role of protagonist well.

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Postby Trigger's Elysium » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:20 am

HAL 9000 is incredible, as a villain. In the situation he was placed in, he was fear itself.

Seeing as everyone's choosing villains from video games, my favorite video game villains are Kefka and Albedo.
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Postby Houndour » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:28 am

I still haven't finished the first Episode. When I do I'll most likely read a summary of II's plot (as if I've been paying attention) and just skip to the third.

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Postby Trigger's Elysium » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:47 am

You really need to pay attention to Xenosaga's plot to get the most out of it.
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Postby SEELE 08 » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:38 pm

Favorite bad guy hmmm...I really liked Alex Rosewater, Gul Dukat, Damar (though he really is a good guy), but my favorite will always be my Keel-Chan!
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Postby Space Penis » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:50 pm

Michizane from Otogi. Very menacing and beliveable character. Also a sympathic one, since even though he pretty much destroyed the world he's still just trying to fix it.

Kain in Legacy of Kain, if he counts as one since he was pretty much the main villian in the Soul Reaver games.

And Durandal, as BobBQ said.

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Postby Ripple_in_Eternity » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:48 pm

Best bad guy of all time: Megabyte from ReBoot. Anyone who argues is a towel. He has claws, is super strong, and has a british accent. His legs are also optional.

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Postby Kaysow » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:45 am

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Postby The Bastard King » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:41 pm

Axel the Dark Hero. His theme song wins his battles for him. :o
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