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How powerful was Kaworu?

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Postby xdiesp » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:33 pm

When I first watched the series, last century, I was under the impression that Kaworu was basically invulnerable and omnipotent. Until he decides to sacrifice himself.

But maybe I was wrong, was his AT field eroded by the Rei up there? Or actually crushed by EVA 01? Discuss.
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Postby Gamer137 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:01 pm

His AT-field is the strongest recorded up to that point by NERV, so he is the strongest of the Adam line short of possibly Adam himself. Though his blow up an entire continent AT-field may have been altered somehow by the human expedition since details of it are still unknown.

Anyway, Kaworu is pretty much invincible compared to Unit-01 because he believes Adam is at Terminal Dogma. When he finds out it's actually Lilith, he gives into his feelings for Shinji and pretty much surrenders. I don't think Rei's AT-field actually eroded Kaworu's, but instead the two fields just stays side-by-side since it did not actually do anything except get Kaworu's attention.

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Postby Tycho » Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:15 pm

yeah, I think he essentially lowered his AT field willingly (he's the angel of free will after all, or something) to Shinji, both literally (that way EVA01 physically destroyed Kaworu's body) and figuratively (the way he confessed his inner feelings/last wish to Shinji).

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Postby NemZ » Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:11 pm

Did you guys miss the part where a second ATF as strong as his shows up and neutralizes it (obviously Rei's doing)? Without the ATF he's just a squishy little person, no threat at all to an eva.
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Postby Gamer137 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:40 am

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Did you guys miss the part where a second ATF as strong as his shows up and neutralizes it (obviously Rei's doing)? Without the ATF he's just a squishy little person, no threat at all to an eva.


My memory is fuzzy, but I don't remember Rei's field neutralizing Kaworu's. I think it just formed and coexisted with it without doing anything. It sure got his attention since he spotted her, but I think he dropped his field on his own accord.

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Postby xdiesp » Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:37 am

Here's the transcript:

Misato: Status?

Makoto: That's A.T.Field.

Shigeru: Another A.T. Field similar to the previous one generated
around the terminal dogma.

Maya: Invading into the barrier.

Misato: Does it mean another angel?

Shigeru: No way.
No, cannot confirm.
AH! I mean, vanished.

Misato: Vanished?
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Postby Allemann » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:58 am

If Kaworu fought a berserk Eva-01, who would've won?

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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:32 pm

Yui, of course, because she has mastered the [s:fwpsb30o]Plothax[/s:fwpsb30o] Force.
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Postby Killer Bee » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:00 pm

I think he's stronger than Gohan up until the Cell Saga, but after that I think Goku could beat him. Kaworu's definately stronger than Frieza by that point, though.

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Did you guys miss the part where a second ATF as strong as his shows up and neutralizes it (obviously Rei's doing)? Without the ATF he's just a squishy little person, no threat at all to an eva.


I thought Rei was just there to stop him in case Shinji couldn't...? Even if we assume Unit-01 could easily beat Kaworu, Shinji's been unwilling to hurt people before. Rei would know that and be prepared to stop Kaworu in the event no one else could.

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Postby planet news » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:54 pm

View Original PostAllemann wrote:If Kaworu fought a berserk Eva-01, who would've won?
I guess he already kinda lost to Shinji non-berserk.
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Postby Allemann » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:22 pm

View Original Postplanet news wrote:I guess he already kinda lost to Shinji non-berserk.


Kaworu gave in to Shinji. Shinji wasn't an objective threat. If he continued, he'd melt with Lilith, or everybody would die from the self-destruction of the Central Dogma.

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Postby xdiesp » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:21 am

I wonder how they would effectively combat Kaworu if he went guerrilla inside the geofront. Sneaking around the structures where the EVA can't fit, or have to destroy walls to get in. Until the place is swiss cheese.
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Postby master_lloyd » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:19 am

View Original PostKiller Bee wrote:I think he's stronger than Gohan up until the Cell Saga, but after that I think Goku could beat him. Kaworu's definately stronger than Frieza by that point, though.


Perhaps we should consult Vegeta's scouter about Kaworu's power level.
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Postby SaltyJoe » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:04 am

No need to. Kaworu's power is obviously maximum.
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Postby Allemann » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:30 pm

I can't decide: who is the most powerful character in the show? Kaworu, Berserk Eva-01, or Lilith and Adam if they had their souls back?

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Postby AyrYntake » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:47 pm

I get the feeling that post-Zeruel Eva-01 is endowed with powers (both fruits that is) that ensouled Seeds can only half match. Lilith, Adam and Tabris all fall into the latter category (with their souls that is).
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Postby AuraTwilight » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:40 pm

I'm pretty sure Lilith would count as a single Seed. If she was Giant Naked Rei-level powerful, then that just raises more plot inconsistencies.

The strongest entities in the series are probably the ensouled Adam and Lilith, who should stand on equal ground.
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Postby Halicat » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:16 pm

View Original PostSaltyJoe wrote:No need to. Kaworu's power is obviously maximum.


If Kaworu's power is maximum and Broli's power is maximum, who would win??

I'd pay to see a Kaworu and Rei bitch fight.

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Postby AshPhoenix » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:28 pm

Halicat wrote:I'd pay to see a Kaworu and Rei bitch fight.

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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:57 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Did you guys miss the part where a second ATF as strong as his shows up and neutralizes it (obviously Rei's doing)? Without the ATF he's just a squishy little person, no threat at all to an eva.

I'm not sure at all about it, A.T. fields have been depicted as layered in NME, I'm not sure if you can say that it's possible to extend the same thing to NGE (I'm already imagining a chorus of "NOOOOOOOOO"; of course Zeruel didn't seem to have a similar A.T. field in NGE and there's no ground to say that this idea was present originally).
Anyway even if you don't accept that they could be "layered" (especially the more powerful ones like the one Zeruel and Tabris) once Rei entered inside his A.T. field her own A.T. field disappeared (it's in the dialogues quoted by xdiesp) and at that point nothing was neutralising Kaworu's A.T. field any more.
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