Key of Nebuchadnezzer Speculation

[Jurrasic]

Sorry for bumping an old thread but was anything discovered of the strange letters in the scan? or any helpful information of the description of the key. It(not the ones depicting specimen name, but ones right to them) looks similar to the ones we've seen in the chamber of Lilith back in 1.11.

I hope you don't get in trouble for necro-ing, but it's interesting to read how completely far off base many of the guesses that were made here to the reality of what Q turned out to be. Especially as pretty much NOTHING from the preview at the end of 2.22 was utilized in Q.

Nebby's key looks to be a completely forgotten artifact at this point, unless it ass-pulls an amazing case of Checkhov's Gun out of itself in Final.

[ElMariachi]

Nebby's key looks to be a completely forgotten artifact at this point, unless it ass-pulls an amazing case of Checkhov's Gun out of itself in Final.

Half of Gendo's scene in 3.0 has him with the case containing the key : when he's talking with Fuyutsuki in the ruins of his office, when he's talking to Lilith's severed head and finally when he and Fuyu are in the mysterious room looking like the Wunder Anchoring Plug.
So the key isn't forgotten and will probably have an important role in Final.

[Jurrasic]

Half of Gendo's scene in 3.0 has him with the case containing the key : when he's talking with Fuyutsuki in the ruins of his office, when he's talking to Lilith's severed head and finally when he and Fuyu are in the mysterious room looking like the Wunder Anchoring Plug.
So the key isn't forgotten and will probably have an important in Final.

Maybe I should just re-watch Q a few times in a row so I don't keep missing shit like I apparently do.

[Shinoyami65]

Half of Gendo's scene in 3.0 has him with the case containing the key : when he's talking with Fuyutsuki in the ruins of his office, when he's talking to Lilith's severed head and finally when he and Fuyu are in the mysterious room looking like the Wunder Anchoring Plug.
So the key isn't forgotten and will probably have an important in Final.

We only see the case, though, we don't know if anything's in it. To be fair, though, it wouldn't make sense for Gendo to drag the empty case with him everywhere so the Key is probably still inside, untouched.

[Rahxephon]

Ejem...
The thingamabob Kaji delivers it's a serum bag... Whith some orange liquid in it (unsure if it's LCL)...
I was suspicious too, so I took a snapshot and after some lighting and color modifications to see it better, I reached that conclusion... AND if I'm not mistaken, when Gendo and Fuyutsuki are in the spaceship, a serum bag is seen empty floating around, whith some orange coloured liquid remnants in it...
Could it be the same?

No.. watching the blu ray it is CLEARLY a mini nervous system looking thing in shape of a human body, connected to some needle/syringe thing, I can see it just about perfectly. But that little nervous system and needle seem to be suspended in LCL.

[riffraff11235]

But that little nervous system and needle seem to be suspended in LCL.

If we can at least tie this to the original series, the stuff encasing the Key of Nebuchadnezzar is probably some form of Bakelite. LCL is never shown in solid form, and the Key doesn't look like it's floating in the stuff.

[Chuckman]

References don't have to be direct references. The name of the key could be a reference to another work which in turn references the Bible.



In this case it's a reference to a sci-fi movie that heavily references anime which also reveals in a shocking twist that the events of the films represent a repetition of the same events over and over again, the events of those films being the seventh and final iteration.

The Nebuchadnezzar is captained by Morpheus, named for the Greek god of dreams.

Shinji is still trapped in the dream (as are we, the audience) as signified by the deliberate repetition of the disappearing watch in 1.0

I've noticed a few visual quotes from the Matrix in some of the Q screenshots I've seen. When I get a chance to see the whole thing I'm sure I'll be able to find and unpack some more.

The shape of the Key itself is probably a visual reference to the Matrix, in that it's a needle inserted into a human nervous system.

It's not like it's out of character for Eva to reference western media- some of the character designs come from a British sci-fi show and there are references to Harlan Ellison and Cordwainer Smith, among others.

[Shinoyami65]

Shinji is still trapped in the dream (as are we, the audience) as signified by the deliberate repetition of the disappearing watch in 1.0.

Wait what?! Disappearing watch?

There does some to be a theme of machines dominating humans in Rebuild, such as the Dummy Plug system's new look and the backwards phrase it speaks when it deploys (which is yet another sci-fi reference).

[riffraff11235]

Wait what?! Disappearing watch?

In both NGE and Rebuild, Shinji starts off wearing a wristwatch which disappears once Sachiel attacks. It's been a bullet point in many theories.

[Dima]

Shinji is still trapped in the dream (as are we, the audience) as signified by the deliberate repetition of the disappearing watch in 1.0

Wait what?Anyone can fill me in?

[TMBounty_Hunter]

I'm surprised this thread was bumped for Q but this post wasn't brought up again. This could be a lot more relevant now given Lilith's pose in Q being similar to the Nebuchadnezzar painting.

I'm considering a possible connection to William Blake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_(Blake)

While the similarity between Nebuchadnezzar's madness and Beast Mode was mentioned before, there's more interesting stuff here:

The image of Nebuchadnezzar is connected in Blake with the apocalypse in which the three people that the biblical Nebuchadnezzar burned to death were united with the Son of God,[18] and this image is also connected to Blake's belief in four states of existence in which those burned are able to transcend into the final stage of human existence.

"Transcending to the final stage of human existence" sounds a lot like Instrumentality, does it not?

Also, a brief look at [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake's_mythology[/url] gives us this:



Which is another possible source for the design of the key, and would also link it to Adam.

Stumbled upon the painting being mentioned in the moon land Eva discussions while searching for wonfest stuff.

[Guy Nacks]

In both NGE and Rebuild, Shinji starts off wearing a wristwatch which disappears once Sachiel attacks. It's been a bullet point in many theories.

Holy shit, I never even realized this.

This is the most innocuous, yet strangely fascinating thing I've heard in quite some time.

[Rocksbury]

So I just ran a marathon of the original Evangelion followed by End of Eva.
Now going over the Rebuild series its almost blatantly obvious that this is a continuation of the series not just a reconstruction of the classic story.

When the briefcase Kaji transports to NERV is opened you have a human figure and a machine.
I saw that and was stumped, that spurred on my urge to rewatch the series after months of confusion.


One of the fantastic things about the series is that scenes directly influence future scenes so that the story is in motion while you can also pair symbolism and past mentions with some investigation.
I saw Rei in the Tank filled with LCL and the Giant Machine above her and wondered.

Are Rei and the object in the briefcase connected. Even further is it safe to safe she is the result of experiments using that object otherwise known as the Key. The Key to unlock Unit-01 and start the chain of events that will lead to the absolute end of Evangelion.

Regardless with Anno in charge 4.0 will come out and be an absolute mind bender.

[NemZ]

[s]THIS Seems like the thread you're looking for.[/s] [I merged Rocksbury's post into this topic. - Monk]

Please review forum guidelines. We frown on creating new threads when older threads on the same topic exist.

[Sachi]

Bumping an older post from this thread, but I think it may help shed new light on the subject now that Q is out and everything.

Kaji calls the Key a "backup". Of what, they don't say, but that might imply that Seele doesn't require the Key for whatever they're doing (perhaps similarly to how they didn't require the Adam embryo in NGE).

Gendo claims the Key can open the doors to Human Instrumentality and has been holding it close to his person since acquiring it, yet Kaji claims that it had been previously kept as a backup. A backup, or in other words a Plan B for Seele.

When Kaji smuggled the key out of Bethany Base, he used Mari's fight with the 3rd Angel as a distraction. Was this done to make Seele believe the Key had been destroyed during the fight, or was the fight simply an exploited opportunity to move the Key while Seele wasn't looking? If it had been presumed destroyed, I feel it would be easier for Gendo to keep quiet about having it for all that time during the skip.

We know that Seele's goal was also the purification of all souls via Instrumentality, and they believed they had achieved that goal when their souls were released by Gendo and Fuyu during Fourth Impact. However, the Impact was stopped at the last minute and Seele's plans never got to be fully realized (and now they're dead, hehe).

So with Seele out of the picture, Gendo now gets to pursue out his version of Human Instrumentality using the Key of Nebuchadnezzar. How is it important though? Perhaps it'll be a suitable replacement now that there are no more Angels? Or maybe now that Lilith's body is gone it'll serve as that end of the deal? Or maybe the Key is simply the ignition to whatever cool ride Gendo and Fuyu are in at the end of the film.

Either way, I think it was important for Gendo to make sure that Seele exhausted their resources for Instrumentality during Fourth Impact in order to betray them once more at the last minute, and since he has the Key in his possession (Seele's old backup) he can now start Instrumentality under his terms.

[ElMariachi]

I remember some translations where Kaji calls the Key "the missing number". So maybe the Key is one of the four ADAMs that got less lucky than his three other pals ans was reduced to sorry cluster of fibers we saw in 2.0.

Okay, now theory time : Gendo states at the end of 3.0 that awakening EVA-13 was part of their plan, and since he also needed an awakened Evangelion before the time skip (Unit 01) that means that he still needs one for his version of Instrumentality.
Problem : he doesn't have any Impact Trigger at his disposal, Kaworu is dead (and never and his side to begin with) and after what happened in 3.0, it's more than probable that this time WILLE will really kill Shinji if one of Gendo's minion even got near him. Besides it's also possible that Shinji will prefer to commit suicide than be again a part of Gendo's plans.

So how does he work around the problem? By becoming an Impact Trigger himself of course! And that's what the Key will be used for : sketches of the Key in the 1.0 CRC reveal that the "machine" at the top of the Key is a syringe plunger, so like he implanted the ADAM embryo in his hand in NGE, Gendo will absorb the ADAM by injecting it in his flesh, and use his acquired power to directly control EVA-13 and start Instrumentality on his terms.

Now the remaining question is what is his army of MP-Evas for? The most logical explanation is that it's to make sure that WILLE won't interfere, but thousands of them just for one flying battleship and two Evas seems really overkill! And after the damages the Wunder and its Evas took in 3.0, Gendo could start his Instrumentality as soon as he retrieve the fallen EVA-13, it would take one day top with his Nemesis Series, so why wait? Is there still a missing element to complete his ritual? Does his body needs time to fully absorb ADAM? Does Gendo needs the LoC for his version of Instrumentality and he needs to find it/morph the LoL back into a LoC and it takes time? (I doubt that we won't hear more of this spear)

The preview said that Shinji will end somewhere where he'll find hope, and seeing how stranded in the middle of a dead place the pilots trio are, it'll like take them days to reach somewhere to be picked up, it'll also probably take some time for Shinji to get out of his funk and allow himself to feel hope again after how it was utterly crushed in 3.0, so unless the preview was complete BS, FINAL won't take EoE's route of happening the very day after Kaworu's death. So what does Gendo needs time for?

[Ray]

So Gendo is going to be piloting an Eva to trigger final impact in 4.0? An epic final Eva battle between him and Shinji would be so badass!

[ElMariachi]

As long as Gendo doesn't wear a plugsuit, that should be okay!

[Chuckman]

As long as Gendo doesn't wear a plugsuit, that should be okay!

Midway through the battle, he pops up on Shinji's view-thingy.

"Hello, Shinji. It's like I'm wearing nothing at all."

[Giji Shinka]

Midway through the battle, he pops up on Shinji's view-thingy.

"Hello, Shinji. It's like I'm wearing nothing at all."

Stupid sexy Gendo!