CyberXIII wrote:Alaska Slim wrote:You're forgetting Sandalphon which she took on virtually alone, and Matariel, for which she came up with the plan of attack and took up the most dangerous role.
She's also the one who Shinji had to jump and rescue after Sandy cut the cable keeping her from falling into the volcano. Plus, she was only able to fight after Shinji gave her his knife.
Irrelevent, she still fought it alone, you're asking for skill,
there it is, as is her plan of attack for Matariel.
CyberXIII wrote:As for Matariel, she's the one who had to come up with that plan of attack, but that's after she lost all of their rifles
That wasn't her fault at all, Matariel was attacking from above with its acid, causing them
all to slip. That, on top of their combined weight, is what caused them all to fall.
CyberXIII wrote:falling to the bottom of that shaft and taking an acid bath.
Rei's part was to go down to the bottom of the shaft and get the rifle in the first place, there was no acid compiled there.
CyberXIII wrote:Alaska Slim wrote:QFT, the moment Asuka arrives she is decisive and open to action, Shinji had to be goaded into action three damn times, and still fell apart at the end, Asuka meanwhile was beaten down by the universe itself, repeatedly, and unlike Shinji, she had a reason to believe people hated her, because her mother told her so.
Shinji has a reason to believe people hate him too. It's named Gendo.
No, Gendo leaves him
unsure of himself, he does not confirm he hates him. There is no comparison, her mother said they were hated, tried to convince her to commit suicide, and her father and her step-mother left her virutally abandonded, not so much in what they
did, but in what they
said.
CyberXIII wrote:Alaska Slim wrote:She tries so damn hard, strives to be what is called of her, all the while having personal demons equal to or greater than what the others were dealing with, and only to have her own sense of meaning stolen by some kid, whose not only weak, but doesn’t even seem to care half the damn time! Then to be rescued by the virtual
embodiment of what she fears most… it’s beyond words.
Shinji was an ass who couldn’t be bothered because he was too afraid, Asuka put forth her best and instead got fate’s door slammed in her face.

I dunno if I'd say Asuka's personal demons were greater than Shinji's or Rei's.
Rei was, either made or raised, with the mind set of one set purpose, she never had a family to begin with, thus she was unsure if she should even be sad, she just didn't know, and went along with what she was ordered in hopes that she could "return to nothing". In the end, her own development was sacrificed to turn her into a plot device, so any comparison of her is meaningless anyway.
Shinji, there is no comparison, Asuka had it worse,
both parents stated disdain for her, and one wished for her to die.
CyberXIII wrote:And since when does Shinji not care? If he didn't care,
Not nearly enough, he was more worried about feeling
guilty over his actions, rather than doing what was neccesaury, that's why he piloted to begin with, why he nearly left the first time, and virtually did so the second. That's why he was convinced to come back, that's why he fell apart at the end, and that's why he was convinced to pilot once more. It all varied on which action he felt more guilty of
not doing, so yes, he lacked conviction, the ability to
care all because he was concerned first and for most of how
he would feel about it later.
CyberXIII wrote:Shinji is one of the last people I'd call a coward, especially after Zeruel.
Guilt, that's all it was, that certiantly isn't courage.
