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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:22 pm

Shinji states in episode 16 that he's unable to swim (rather, Leliel brings up that fact to Shinji who retorts "Humans aren't made to float!").
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Postby Sparkie » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:35 pm

Lili - THANK YOU for posting the drafts and giving summaries that we can all read. I have some thoughts, particularly when it comes to the impact of drafts one and two on rebuild, about the changing political context of fandom from the mid nineties and the late two thousands (what do you call the late two thousands ... the aughts?) and the semiotic work that Anno was trying to do upon otaku, but my thoughts are a little bit helter skelter right now. Be that as it may be, I still wanted to post a big giant THANK YOU for (a) sharing and (b) investing so much time in the summaries so as to help make the sharing possible.

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Postby LiLi » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:58 pm

Sparkie wrote:Lili - THANK YOU for posting the drafts and giving summaries that we can all read. I have some thoughts, particularly when it comes to the impact of drafts one and two on rebuild, about the changing political context of fandom from the mid nineties and the late two thousands (what do you call the late two thousands ... the aughts?) and the semiotic work that Anno was trying to do upon otaku, but my thoughts are a little bit helter skelter right now.


You're very welcome! ^_^
Hopefully I'll be able to finish the summaries eventually... :nyao:

I would love to read your thoughts on the topics you mentioned, once they have 'settled' - I'd be honestly very interested in discussing/reading about those particular aspects.

To discuss the impact of drafts one and two on Rebuild, I made this thread where you can go all-out with spoilers if you want:

http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?t=7832&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Whenever you feel like sharing, I'll be waiting! :w00t:


Sailor Star Dust wrote:Shinji states in episode 16 that he's unable to swim


:emogendo: : Just as planned...

I had noticed he didn't swim when the pilots went to the pool together.
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Postby Ilari » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:48 am

LiLi wrote:I'm also rather curious as to what those June interviews to Anno actually said... Reportedly he discussed some of the issues concerning the production of ep. 24, such as how they had to turn the swimming scene into a bathing scene cause it would have been too naughty for the designated airtime.


I have the June book with 36 pages Anno interview. I'd be happy to scan it if it'd be helpful.
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Postby LiLi » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:31 am

Ilari wrote:I have the June book with 36 pages Anno interview. I'd be happy to scan it if it'd be helpful.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/Shoujiwolf/june_cover.jpg


Wow, you managed to find the book?? Mind if I ask where? (I'm looking to buy it!)

Thank you so much for offering to scan that interview!!

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If you really don't mind scanning all those pages... it'd be nice to have them! :D I looked everywhere for them, but in vain... ;_; It'd be interesting to see whether they included Anno's views on the Drafts and what excuses he made - if any - to cover up for them! xD

Like I probably said before, I personally place more value on scripts/dramas/anime etc. than magazine interviews - largely due to the infamous trolling habits of certain anime staffers (helloooo, Anno and Morosawa...) - but if you could scan it, I think we could also find some valuable info there... I'd be particularly interested in the parts about the making-of of episode 24... :nyao:

Also, would you mind if I also hosted the scans on my LJ?
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Postby Boredom » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:21 pm

This sounds interesting, I'd like to draw it out once it's fully translated.
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Postby Oedipusfoot » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:45 pm

Ilari wrote: I have the June book with 36 pages Anno interview. I'd be happy to scan it if it'd be helpful.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/Shoujiwolf/june_cover.jpg


Oh my God, you actually have the book. That would be a dream come true...if you were to scan it...or hint at where you got it -o-;

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Postby Ilari » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:06 pm

LiLi wrote:Wow, you managed to find the book?? Mind if I ask where? (I'm looking to buy it!)

Thank you so much for offering to scan that interview!!

:woohoo:

If you really don't mind scanning all those pages... it'd be nice to have them! :D I looked everywhere for them, but in vain... ;_; It'd be interesting to see whether they included Anno's views on the Drafts and what excuses he made - if any - to cover up for them! xD

Like I probably said before, I personally place more value on scripts/dramas/anime etc. than magazine interviews - largely due to the infamous trolling habits of certain anime staffers (helloooo, Anno and Morosawa...) - but if you could scan it, I think we could also find some valuable info there... I'd be particularly interested in the parts about the making-of of episode 24... :nyao:

Also, would you mind if I also hosted the scans on my LJ?


I've had it sitting around for years. I listed it on ebay a few times, but no takers. Not like I can read it, so I'm glad it can be useful. ^_^

Here's the interview, as well as the index. Please let me know if any of the other sections are relavent. There's also a Kaworuquarium:
http://s978.photobucket.com/albums/ae268/TTGL/

Please feel free to host them.

Oedipusfoot wrote:Oh my God, you actually have the book. That would be a dream come true...if you were to scan it...or hint at where you got it -o-;


I'm really sorry, but it's been so long that I don't even remember buying it.
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Postby Ilari » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:29 pm

Great Genius Shinji-Sama wrote:It saids I need a password. :???:


Sorry, fixed the link. ^_^

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Postby LiLi » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:33 am

Ilari wrote:I've had it sitting around for years. I listed it on ebay a few times, but no takers. Not like I can read it, so I'm glad it can be useful. ^_^

Here's the interview, as well as the index. Please let me know if any of the other sections are relavent. There's also a Kaworuquarium:
http://s978.photobucket.com/albums/ae268/TTGL/

Please feel free to host them.


Thank you so much!!! \0/

I will then host them on my LJ along with some summaries/translations as soon as I can get to it! :D I will credit you with your EGF username and a link to your profile, if that's OK with you?

If you still want to get rid of the book... would you PM me telling me how much you were asking for it/where are you mailing it from? I'd be interested in getting your copy if you don't need it! :D

PS: I was right about the Kaworuquarium?!? :evillaugh:
(Or maybe it's from a doujin?)

:EDIT: I uploaded them to my Eva LJ: please let me know if it's OK like this? :kaos_bow:

http://the-liliquarium.livejournal.com/7236.html

I'm reading the interview now and it seems pretty interesting so far!
I can tell you it confirmed some of the rumors I heard in that it seems to shoot down the FemKaworu theory completely. :evillaugh:

:EDIT^2: Check my LJ for the bit of translation concerning the stuff that was (edit) reported in that amazon review.
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Postby Synapsid » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:04 am

LiLi wrote: Truth to be told though, in the first draft it is Kaworu who encourages Shinji to actually interact with him (Shinji was stalking-yet-avoiding him, and Kaworu had apparently noticed this). When Shinji decided to confess, though, Kaworu rejected him - I guess he might have done it because he didn't want to hurt Shinji further, later on?
It did sort of look like that to me, I suppose it wasn't that Kaworu was leading him on, but instead that he realised that he couldn't become intimate with the Puppy... not without hurting him when the mask slipped. It still hurt Shinjuliet though :shinji_boohoo:
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Sailor Star Dust wrote:Shinji states in episode 16 that he's unable to swim


:emogendo: : Just as planned...

I had noticed he didn't swim when the pilots went to the pool together.
Uhuh, he never did swim, the show does alude to that fact more than once, although they never got to explain why or bring it in as an actual plot point.
Ilari wrote: I have the June book with 36 pages Anno interview...
Thank you, thank you so much for sharing this with us! Now we finally have the interview where Anno talks about Tabby-kun, thanks we realy appreciate this. ^_^

LiLi wrote:...PS: I was right about the Kaworuquarium?!? :evillaugh:
(Or maybe it's from a doujin?)
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It only made sence that there would be one, but now we finaly get to line up his image along side the Ikariquariums. I think the Tabbies would be happy enougth with just the Shinjiquarium though. :shinji_blush:
Incidentally the Kaworuquarium's juxtaposition makes it look almost like they're some sort of underworld beings.
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Postby LiLi » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:05 pm

LiLi wrote::EDIT^2: Check my LJ for the bit of translation concerning the stuff that was reported in that amazon review.


Link:
http://the-liliquarium.livejournal.com/7611.html

Further translated excerpts from the interview will also go there.

Synapsid wrote:Incidentally the Kaworuquarium's juxtaposition makes it look almost like they're some sort of underworld beings.


:nod: It does...
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Postby Lucretius » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:36 pm

I loved the Kaworuquarium image. Poor Shinji. :shinji_boohoo:

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Postby NAveryW » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:21 am

Whu-hey, there's that infamous bathtub shot of Asuka. If this interview actually confirms or denies that this was a suicide attempt, I will be so pleased.
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Postby LiLi » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:03 am

^Your link, it confuses me. :think:
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Postby Ilari » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:56 am

LiLi wrote:Thank you so much!!! \0/

I will then host them on my LJ along with some summaries/translations as soon as I can get to it! :D I will credit you with your EGF username and a link to your profile, if that's OK with you?

If you still want to get rid of the book... would you PM me telling me how much you were asking for it/where are you mailing it from? I'd be interested in getting your copy if you don't need it! :D

PS: I was right about the Kaworuquarium?!? :evillaugh:
(Or maybe it's from a doujin?)

:EDIT: I uploaded them to my Eva LJ: please let me know if it's OK like this? :kaos_bow:

http://the-liliquarium.livejournal.com/7236.html


Welcome. ^_^ I'm looking forward to reading the translations.
The 'quarium looks like a doujin, but the image was nice.

Regarding the book, I'm really not sure how much it's worth? I didn't realize it was rare.

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Postby LiLi » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:10 am

Ilari wrote:The 'quarium looks like a doujin, but the image was nice.

Regarding the book, I'm really not sure how much it's worth? I didn't realize it was rare.


It IS nice... :shinji_blush:

As for the book, please check your inbox, I just sent you a PM! ;)
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Postby NAveryW » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:38 am

LiLi wrote:^Your link, it confuses me. :think:
Mine? Why?
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Postby LiLi » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:53 am

NAveryW wrote:
LiLi wrote:^Your link, it confuses me. :think:
Mine? Why?


Sorry, now I get it. Was having trouble decyphering the relevant image.
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