Eva-01, Eva-08 and Eva-06

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Postby SaltyJoe » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:43 am

When i first saw the trailer for 3.0, i was pretty shocked to see an "Eva-08". Why the hell do we need another Eva? It seemed pretty superfluous.

But, the translators on this site pointed out an interesting detail: Gendo, in conversation, refers to Eva-01 as "tsuyuharai" and later to Eva-06 as "yokozuna". Aslo, he and Seele yack about some "ceremonies" and "rituals" in their usual vague manner.

Though i don't know Japanese, i can wager on that these terms are pretty specific. That is, Anno and team wanted the audience to make the connection with the ritual of the Yokozuna dance.

We still have one thing missing though: a "tachimochi". My bet is that Eva-08 will be the one to fill this role.

We also need a Gyoji, or referee to oversee the ritual: i guess Seele or Gendo could fill that role (or Lilith herself?).

During entering and leaving the ring before and after the actual ritual, the tsuyuharai always precedes the yokozuna, while the tachimochi always follows. If we look at the numerical designations of the Evas and the order of their activations, that ads up: 01, 06 and 08.

Now a lot of things could be fanwanked, but what i find to be interesting is the claim on this site. It states that the Yokozuna (Kaworu) has two choices regarding the way in which to carry out the ritual dance. To me, that means that Kaworu will still be the "Angel of Free Will", left with the options of either dying or destroying humanity.

One interesting question is: who will pilot 08? Mari seems like the most natural candidate. To add a twist, Gendo mentions on the Moon-trip that "there should have been no Evas past Unit-05", and every additional Unit is built following the Dead Sea Scrolls apocrypha exclusively in Seele's possession. That is, the existence ofUnit-08 serves only Seele's interests. But, it also seems that Mari, through Kaji is tied to an organization that possibly works to counter Seele's goals. Could Mari become the mole who foils the whole affair from the inside?

Or maybe it will be RiAO's turn to shine? After all, the latest subtitles have the line referring to Unit-08 translated as "The awakening of Unit-08 and it's pilot."

And of course, there's always Asuka. Maybe, despite what would seem logical, the whole Angelic contamination thing will be exactly the factor that lands her in Unit-08. She also needs to be awakenend, in a sense.

I know that the line that speaks of Unit-08 has been translated by many, but i would like to make a request: what do the transltors here think would be the most accurate translation?

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Postby Evafan » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:13 am

That is some very interesting research my friend kudos. I do remember the sumo references, but I never thought too much about them. Sounds very plausible to me.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:14 am

Unusual that sumo teminology should be employed if the Evas look nothing like sumo wrestlers in build.

Also, this - I hashed out the 08 part in the topic title because Eva-08 is a 3.0 spoiler- please remember this bit, everyone!
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Postby SaltyJoe » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:50 am

UrsusArctos wrote:Unusual that sumo teminology should be employed if the Evas look nothing like sumo wrestlers in build.

Well, it's rather about the role they might play in a possible ritual. Also, i don't want to sound all Japanese culture savvy, but sumo wrestlers are regarded there as sanctified warriors, no? That could be used to describe both the Evas and the Children.

Also, this - I hashed out the 08 part in the topic title because Eva-08 is a 3.0 spoiler- please remember this bit, everyone!

Ah, good call. Thanks.

Evafan wrote:That is some very interesting research my friend kudos.

"Research" is a tad too strong a word :sweatdrop:, but thanks.

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Postby obama » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:54 am

UrsusArctos wrote:Unusual that sumo teminology should be employed if the Evas look nothing like sumo wrestlers in build.

Also, this - I hashed out the 08 part in the topic title because Eva-08 is a 3.0 spoiler- please remember this bit, everyone!


how exactly is it unusual?

i think its a great find.

to Japanese people who watch this, its only who its meant for anyway, we are just random foreigners.
having sumo references which is as natural as a basketball or baseball reference like, that guy shot some hoops which Japanese people might never understand, i believe a sumo reference is quite natural to a Japanese person.

and all it helps us do is not realize there are many terms like this in Japanese anime that we will NEVER understand or notice.

as for its meaning, i dont think it will effect the anime much since its natural to Japanese people to notice it.
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Postby Legendary » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:54 pm

UrsusArctos wrote:Unusual that sumo teminology should be employed if the Evas look nothing like sumo wrestlers in build.


They aren't anorexic models any more though, so...

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:25 pm

As I said somewhere else, something about the 3.0 Next Time Preview made me feel Kaworu will pilot Eva-08, but I guess we'll see (or if Kaworu still gets Eva-06, then 08 goes to Mari).

What I don't get is where the hell is Eva-07 in all this.
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Postby Eva 04 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:38 pm

Maybe Eva 07 will show up later in the film or something.I really dont see why they would skip Eva 07 and go straight to Eva 08.They've been going almost in order with the Eva's so far.Dont really see or know why they'd skip 07.

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Postby LiLi » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:39 pm

UrsusArctos wrote:Also, this - I hashed out the 08 part in the topic title because Eva-08 is a 3.0 spoiler- please remember this bit, everyone!


Main reason I could never figure out how to make an Eva 08 topic! :blush:

I don't think the sumo references are too unusual... there are sumo references in other Japanese anime/novels not related to sumo and also in the ATE drama CD (Akebono)... What hit me is that this time the references seem much more specific. Also, in my understanding from what little we studied in class on the topic, sumo is more than the Japanese National Sport - it's something... kind of sacred? A ceremony? (Again, in my understanding... I'm no specialist on sumo myself!)
Which ties in nicely with SEELE's cryptic talk of ceremonies, I thought...

Regarding the translations, I'll link my takes here for reference:

Conversation between SEELE, Gendou ・ Fuyutsuki (with Sumo references):
http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=267060#267060

3.0 Preview:
http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=263504#263504

Relevant bit:
胎動するエヴァ8号機とそのパイロット
The Quickening Eva 08 and its pilot


Hope it helps! :)

As for the pilot of 08... for the :lol:, here's my fanwank partly based on the "Anchor"-type (=Ikari) symbol on 08... ;)

http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=266092#266092
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Postby Joseph the PRPD » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:52 pm

I would love it if something happens to Unit-01 and it gets completely destroyed and it results in Shinji getting Unit-08.

This also makes me wonder what Unit-07 looks like.
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Postby Xard » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:12 pm

"gee, who wulda thunkit dat not all eva's symbolism is inherently random" :rolleyes:
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:11 am

I wonder if this is an appropriate place to forward a question on just what the heck Gendo means when he talks about "the current unit/body/whatever containing Eva-01" (in the tsuyuharai line). Is genkitai just being translated misleadingly (i.e. "gen-" --> "current"), or is this supposed to be implying that Eva-01 will be "relocated" at some point? To, say, a totally new Eva?

The anchor on Eva-08's head comes to mind, for no apparent reason.
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Postby LiLi » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:14 am

@ Reichu:

Maybe he's thinking of relocating the core of Eva 01 into Eva 08?

The Ikari/Anchor would still be appropriate...
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:28 am

LiLi wrote:Maybe he's thinking of relocating the core of Eva 01 into Eva 08?

Indeed. Though maybe an entirely new "core unit" will be necessary, if 06's spear went through Eva-01's big red ball.
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Postby LiLi » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:30 am

Reichu wrote:
LiLi wrote:Maybe he's thinking of relocating the core of Eva 01 into Eva 08?

Indeed. Though maybe an entirely new "core unit" will be necessary, if 06's spear went through Eva-01's big red ball.


You mean... no Yui? Or moving Yui's soul to a new core unit?
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Postby Reichu » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:32 am

LiLi wrote:You mean... no Yui? Or moving Yui's soul to a new core unit?

The latter.
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Postby UrsusArctos » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:01 pm

Reichu wrote:Indeed. Though maybe an entirely new "core unit" will be necessary, if 06's spear went through Eva-01's big red ball.


From the theatrical posters, looks like this is indeed the case.

Perhaps Shinji's soul could be shifted to Eva-08? I know it's kinda crazy, but maybe someone gets to be Shinji-sama's pilot.
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Postby Axell » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:10 pm

If Yui dies I'm gonna cry

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Postby MugwumpHasNoLiver » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:02 pm

First Asuka pilots 03, then Mari pilots 02? Now we're thinking Yui gets moved to 08? Holy shit, these new movies are like everyone's playing musical chairs, but with cyborg giants instead of chairs!
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Postby AuraTwilight » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:45 pm

Perhaps Shinji's soul could be shifted to Eva-08? I know it's kinda crazy, but maybe someone gets to be Shinji-sama's pilot.


Wouldn't that require Shinji having offspring?


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