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Postby Ornette » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:50 pm

What would you rather it say besides `[spoiler]`? It already says "Hide"/"Show".

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Postby KnightmareX13 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:12 pm

View Original PostOrnette wrote:What would you rather it say besides `[spoiler]`? It already says "Hide"/"Show".
how about '[may or may not be a spoiler]'?
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Postby chazthesilencer » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:27 am

"Hide"/"Show" is fine on its own, really.

Otherwise [extra] or [more] might be suitable alternatives to [spoiler]
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Postby Ornette » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:53 am

View Original Postchazthesilencer wrote:"Hide"/"Show" is fine on its own, really.

Otherwise [extra] or [more] might be suitable alternatives to [spoiler]


"More" might be ok, I'm fine with that. My only concern with this is when there actually is a real spoiler (and there's going to be a whole lot soon), would:

1. people remember to actually say "Spoiler" before putting said spoiler in a [more] tag,
2. barring that, would people who show up inevitably because of the new movie know inherently that this Show/Hide buttons in posts are actually hiding spoilers?

I suppose we can make a [more] without actually removing [spoiler], but I'm sure people would still use them interchangeably.

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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:11 pm

If the Spoiler tag were upgraded to being something for use only on actual spoilers, that might help things that will be coming up here on the site.

There should probably be a new function added 'Expand' or 'Hide' or 'More' that is for the general use (pictures, long divergence, etc)

The transition would be awkward perhaps but better to get out of the way sooner than later. If 'spoiler' was generally enforced as an 'only real spoilers, people' thing then it would probably for the best.
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Postby child of Lilith » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:28 pm

Just seems needlessly confusing to me. What we've got now works for everything so adding something else doesn't really seem necessary.
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Postby Stryker » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:31 pm

Of all people, I actually like how 4chan does this: They coat the spoiler in the colour that matches the text, and you highlight so it shows up.
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Postby riffraff11235 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:53 pm

View Original PostStryker wrote:Of all people, I actually like how 4chan does this: They coat the spoiler in the colour that matches the text, and you highlight so it shows up.


Yeah, tvtropes has a similar mechanism for their spoilers. On 4chan, you just need to hover over the spoilertext for it to show up. On tvtropes, you actually need to highlight the text in order to read it.
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Postby Dream » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:12 am

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Yeah, tvtropes has a similar mechanism for their spoilers. On 4chan, you just need to hover over the spoilertext for it to show up. On tvtropes, you actually need to highlight the text in order to read it.


It's one of the things i most love about TV Tropes, in fact i think it's an almost perfect system.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:23 am

View Original Postchild of Lilith wrote:Just seems needlessly confusing to me. What we've got now works for everything so adding something else doesn't really seem necessary.


I tend to agree. People who spoiler photos or blocks of text are usually clear about what they're doing and why, so I don't see the need to change anything. Assume it's an actual spoiler unless the poster says it isn't. Where's the difficulty?
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Postby Tankred » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:51 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:I tend to agree. People who spoiler photos or blocks of text are usually clear about what they're doing and why, so I don't see the need to change anything. Assume it's an actual spoiler unless the poster says it isn't. Where's the difficulty?


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Postby Ornette » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:17 pm

View Original PostStryker wrote:Of all people, I actually like how 4chan does this: They coat the spoiler in the colour that matches the text, and you highlight so it shows up.

That system only works with in-line spoilers (and you can do that now anyways, people have in the past, by simply using the [color] tag). It doesn't work for images, or, if someone is posting a large spoiler filled review, you wouldn't want to scroll through a page of blank nothing if you wanted to skip it.

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Postby Kendrix » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:25 pm

Shouldn't it be obvious from the context if there's a funny image or something Q related?

A Q related thread will of course have Q material in the tags, as will a post where someone goes
"Yes, blabla, but in Q... {spoiler box}".

The only confusion potential I see is when the fanarts of Q rush in and there's a pic featuring something comparable to the Rei rescue action in plot relevance and fanart volume.
In such case and other ambigious situations, people could just write "Q spoiler: {spoiler box} or {spoiler=Q} Pianos!{/spoiler}
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Postby chazthesilencer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:56 pm

View Original PostSeele00TextOnly wrote:There should probably be a new function added 'Expand' or 'Hide' or 'More' that is for the general use (pictures, long divergence, etc)
View Original PostOrnette wrote:I suppose we can make a [more] without actually removing [spoiler]
    I should have worded my last two posts a little better- but basically this is what I was gunning for.
[spoiler] tags stay. We’ll use them for spoilers.
[more] tags introduced. We’ll use them for walls of text/divergences/images (essentially what spoiler tags are being used for 90% of the time right now)

Spoilers for spoilers.
More for more.

Makes sense, right?


View Original Postchillith wrote:What we've got now works
View Original PostBagheera wrote:I don't see the need to change anything. Assume it's an actual spoiler unless the poster says it isn't.
    As I said earlier- I know the current system isn’t necessarily broken, we’ve all just been raping the poor spoiler tag silly these last 3 years that it is barely used for its original purpose anymore.
    I love the spoiler tag. I just want to restore its purpose in life. ;_;
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:00 am

Might be worth noting that we already have an option for TVTropes-style spoilers, like so: we don't need no stinkin' spoilers, see?

So if you wanna be hardcore about it the option's already there.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:57 am

Actually the background of the posts isn't exactly white, in fact it's possible to read the text of your post without selecting the text, it alternates between this colour and this other one
So let’s make a wish.
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:53 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:Actually the background of the posts isn't exactly white, in fact it's possible to read the text of your post without selecting the text, it alternates between this colour and this other one


Now that's weird. The first color you used is the same as mine, but I can't see mine in my post while I can see it in yours, and I can see both in the quote. And here I thought I'd stumbled across something clever. Ah well. :sigh:
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:06 am

It's really weird, actually I didn't notice that you used the same colour of the light background, is it possible that the alternation between the light and dark colour isn't consistent between different browsers? Or maybe it could be influenced by our boards' settings.
Anyway this is how I see those two posts.
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:50 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:It's really weird, actually I didn't notice that you used the same colour of the light background, is it possible that the alternation between the light and dark colour isn't consistent between different browsers? Or maybe it could be influenced by our boards' settings.
Anyway this is how I see those two posts.


It looks like those are the generic alternating background colors for the forum's posts, meaning which you see will depend on your preferences (i.e., it will be offset if you see the last post on the previous page as the first post on this one -- so something invisible in the one color will be faint on the other). I had thought that that color choice made the text the same color as the background, since that's how it had worked out for me in the past (but my sample size was two, so by chance it worked out for me). Turns out that doesn't seem to be the case.

I don't think browser choice is a factor.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:07 am

You're right, your spoiler colour works correctly if I change my settings to "no overlap".
So let’s make a wish.
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