Rebuild of Eva re-released on Blu-Ray & DVD as 1.11

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition"). The final installment is scheduled to debut in Japan on January 23, 2021.

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Postby Reichu » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:11 pm

Gendo'sPapa wrote:I guess I'm the only one on the planet who likes the grainy film look of the final film (despite any insignificant-imo- detail lost)

Well, when they have hidden stuff as tiny as little Seele logos inside Lilith's eyes...

Then, at Blue Ray resolution, grain probably wouldn't be a problem. Though, I don't want a bumpy image, and I definitely don't want a continuation of the "darks are too dark" problem.

There are those with a sentimental or aesthetic attachment to film grain. If I have any, I'm not currently aware of it. I would've liked to have the straight digital output. Maybe... another one or two releases down the road. :rolleyes:

Ornette wrote:then 2.0 would be 10.0

Oh...
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:18 pm

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It would be smarter to actually wait and see what we get, but since we have nothing else to do until then it's time for shits and giggles.

I give you a brief sampling of anime Blu-ray releases:

Olde, traditional painted cel, shot on film stuff:

Patlabor Movie I (1989), delicious 35mm film properly mastered(Bandai Visual):
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Memories (1995), 35mm (Bandai Visual):
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Gunbuster (1988) is a fun case to bring up because it's all well mastered, but the interesting part comes from the source material. Episodes 1-4 were shot on el cheapo 16mm film and eps 5-6 (the two most full of epicness) were shot on 35mm film(Bandai Visual):
16mm:
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35mm:
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Zeta Gundam (1985) another fun case (Bandai Visual):
Creditless OP, 35mm master:
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The episodes however have only 16mm master, so you get to see the same cel shot in two different ways:
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Now here's what happens when people start to fuck with the old stuff

DBZ Movie 7 (1992), what was probably delicious 35mm film at one point horribly overfiltered and oversaturated (Funimation):
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Last year Oshii decided to "update" the original GITS (1995) to match Innocence (2004). He did this by replacing stuff here and there with 3DCG and bluring the rest while adding an orange tint(both from Bandai Visual):
Original:
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GITS 2.0:
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And finally here's what shiny pure digital animation of today looks like:

Gundam 00 (2007) (Bandai Visual):
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Michiko to Hachin (2008)(Media Factory):
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Macross Frontier (2008) (Bandai Visual):
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Samurai 7 (2004):
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Diebuster (2004-2006) (Bandai Visual):
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Girl who Leapt Through Time (2006):
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Gin-iro no Kami no Agito (2006):
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Innocence (2004):
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Moral of the story: there's still a 90% chance Rebuild BD will look totally fucking awesome, it just wont look how digital animu is suppose to look.

And for final shits and giggles, Disney's Sleeping Beauty (1959) shot on 70mm film:
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(And before anyone ask why these are all huge PNGs, it's because JPEG compression would add artifacts that weren't actually in the video source. That and to annoy anyone who's still on dial-up.)

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:49 pm

The Evangelion Movie websites have started their ads for 1.11

Now I'm curious as to who in the non-Japan world on this website is actually going to fork over the cash for this newest Rebuild of the first film. Cause where does it end?

At this moment the only thing that will get me to buy this is if I hear there's at least 15 minutes of new and extended scenes to make the pacing a little better and make Toji, you know, a character.

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Postby NAveryW » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:39 pm

TMB_H: I've been looking for a long time for a way to take screenshots from Blu-Ray discs. How does one do it?
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Postby Axell » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:42 pm

well you need a blue ray drive first
i think the ps3 has a snapshot feature too i think

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Postby NAveryW » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:17 am

Axell wrote:well you need a blue ray drive first
i think the ps3 has a snapshot feature too i think
I have a Blu-Ray drive in my PC. I also have a PS3.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:05 am

NAveryW wrote:TMB_H: I've been looking for a long time for a way to take screenshots from Blu-Ray discs. How does one do it?

play the .m2ts file in Media Player Classic

also, as promised the BD details are up:
http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090316_75995.html

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Postby bryan2369 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:06 pm

What are Blue Ray Drives going for these days? Maybe it's time to upgrade...
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:05 am

Best benefit of BluRay in this case is the America's (North & South) share the same Region with Japan. So you can play the film in any North American bought BluRay player or PS3.
Does this mean they'll attach "Engrish" subtitles to the Disc?
Probably not but one can hope.

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:03 am

bryan2369 wrote:What are Blue Ray Drives going for these days? Maybe it's time to upgrade...


for a lot cheaper than stand-alone BD players:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=598&name=Blu-Ray-Drives
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=600&name=Blu-Ray-Burners

Gendo'sPapa wrote:Best benefit of BluRay in this case is the America's (North & South) share the same Region with Japan. So you can play the film in any North American bought BluRay player or PS3.
Does this mean they'll attach "Engrish" subtitles to the Disc?
Probably not but one can hope.

Sharing a region doesn't make the release aim at the entire region. Europe is all under one region, but there's usually a ton of different releases. French, German, Central and East Europe, Nordic, etc. all coming with different sets of audios and subs.

No indication of any subs on the Rebuild BD so far.

EDIT: Also, it's not like region coding has ever stopped anyone from enjoying something, plenty of tools to get around it.

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Postby Sceleris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:53 am

I came across two screenshots on the Eva blog in 1920x1080 resolution. Might be an indication of what to expect of the BD. Made a comparison with the DVD... but since I don't have the DVD where I am now, it's from a DVD rip and not really useful.

Hi-res #1, DVD rip #1.
Hi-res #2, DVD rip #2.

Gendo'sPapa wrote:Now I'm curious as to who in the non-Japan world on this website is actually going to fork over the cash for this newest Rebuild of the first film.

I will.

Gendo'sPapa wrote:Best benefit of BluRay in this case is the America's (North & South) share the same Region with Japan. So you can play the film in any North American bought BluRay player or PS3.

Luckily most anime Blu-ray discs are region free, so most of us will probably be able to play 1.11.

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Postby NAveryW » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:34 pm

Those look... pretty lousy. T_T
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Postby Axell » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:43 pm

it doesn't look like the darkness is gone....

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:59 pm

comparison with DVD, it does look better, but not quite as awesome as it could have. i hope Japan rages enough for them to make a nice and shiney all digital transfer.

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EDIT: i just noticed the last kanji in the first screenshot differs between DVD and BD. fixed typo?

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Postby NAveryW » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:24 am

TMBounty_Hunter wrote:comparison with DVD, it does look better
In what way? The only difference I see is that the film grain is a bit sharper. And that one kanji.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:41 am

sharper, more little details, proper aspect ratio. easier to see when you flip between the two.

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Postby RockManBalls » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:05 am

TMBounty_Hunter wrote:EDIT: i just noticed the last kanji in the first screenshot differs between DVD and BD. fixed typo?


First it was "First Defense Line." The Blu-Ray edition says "First Defense Battle." Not seeing why that needed changing...

And the new images are actually very noticeably better, at least as far as these things go as TM has pointed out.

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Postby Sceleris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:16 am

No no no, I never said they were from the BD! They are only screenshots from the Eva blog exemplifying the Explanation of EVANGELION:1.01 DVD feature. They are almost a year old by now. I just saw them, saw they were in 1920x1080 and thought they might, just might, be an indication of what to expect of the BD.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, folks.

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:52 am

didn't notice the date.

the source is probably some internal BDs they have laying around for various needs. although that makes it interesting to see how early they made a transfer from the film stock back into digital.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:52 am

Yeah... I don't think I can get behind this new 1.0 cut. I figure I'll torrent it. For now at least. On yesasia the DVD alone case $53 +. That's not including the shipping and handling.


The biggest insult is these so called "New Scenes", if you look on their 1.11 advert for the new cut, the final running time of Evangelion 1.11 with credits is 100 minutes.

That's right. A whole whopping 2 extra minutes. Only $70+ for us poor souls in the Northern Hemisphere. And knowing Anno half of these 2 minutes is probably just still shots of toilets and glasses of half drunken water.
The other half is the newly released trailer for 2.0.

I personally might just have to take a stand. I may miss out on 2 minutes but I know come the release of 3.0 in 2015 they're will be 1.21 (or 1.111), newly remastered and with a new running time of 101 minutes.


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