Would Shinji and Misato's... "boinking", be ok?

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Would Shinji and Misato's... "boinking", be ok?

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Postby The Bastard King » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:20 am

I forgot the exact proportion, but humanity's numbers got cut down ridiculously with the occurrence of Second Impact. Plus, growth rates were on a decline, so a main focus of the world's governments was to fix that. Of course, there are several methods, such as benefits for parents with more kids and "Japanese hello's" with benefits. But do you think the morals of what a good age to start "joy riding" at would change? And if so, would they be encouraged?

Let's face the facts: Asuka is a smart girl. College education, pilot since 3, blah blah blah, so on and so forth. Surely if she was really as intelligent as she's portrayed in the anime, she would know that there's no chance in hell of her getting with Kaji, and would control her hormones enough to not move beyond the point of playful flirting rather then trying to bed him with the unholy might of Satan that she was born with.

Red Devil, blah blah.

But what if it was legal? What if it was morally accepted? That would be a bit more reasonable in explaining her actions. And as sensible as Misato is, there's no way in hell she would offer her body to a 14 year old boy and risk being labeled as a pedophile simply for making him feel better, especially when she was so close to the truth. But if it was alright to "bag the salmon", that would give the scene a lot more credibility.

So do you think that the conditions of human growth on the planet got so bad that "one-on-one d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duels" between teens and adults would be morally and legally accepted and encouraged? And more importantly, do you think that Misato/Shinji is hot as hell?

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Postby CorporalChaos » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:25 am

Of course, there are still 2 billion people on the face of the planet. I would think that the U.N would probably let that number fall a little bit more as well to keep overpopulation from becoming a problem again. Then they can turn the horny teens loose on each other.
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Postby NemZ » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:41 am

Shinji is old enough to be legal, so no issue. Acceptance by others is clearly not happening, however, and the power imbalance in the relationship (work, legal, and due to his mental instability) makes such a thing rife for all manner of abuses.

Seeing as how Asuka is jailbate for most of the series, possibly even for longer than Kaji survives, it's not unreasonable to see his objection. Plus he's got the same superior/guardian relationship snags as well.

In both cases Gendo would have them shot in the face if he thought it threatened the scenario.

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Postby Zaiku » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:32 am

The first has so many euphimisms(sp?) that I can't count them.

But really, Asuka probably can't control her hormones, and that is why she does not cease pursuing Kaji. I mean, she expresses genuine shock in episode 15, when he ignores her and it seems to be a revelation to her that Kaji is with Misato and that she has NO chance.
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Postby Iron Rooster » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:53 am

Don't they talk about how a crap load of the world budget goes to NERV and how some people complain it could be used to feed the starving countries in the world? I don't know, but it sounds like the world in NGE doesn't have the resources to even adequately maintain the current population. That said, I think Asuka wanted to boink Kaji just because she's so determined to show she's a proper adult, but ironically in the process is showing how immature she is.
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Postby Synapsid » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:12 am

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Yes that’s right this point itself is deserving of a thread (I’ll get to it later). If I’m not mistaken one of the bits of context in Evangelion was the complaints from ambassadors (US’ included) that Eva funding would lead to internal starvation. Furthermore the news reports often heard in the background often report mass famine and lawlessness in well known areas, so it’s safe to say that the post Second impact world is in a wretched state.
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Postby mrpanda » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:37 am

Synapsid wrote:^
Yes that’s right this point itself is deserving of a thread (I’ll get to it later). If I’m not mistaken one of the bits of context in Evangelion was the complaints from ambassadors (US’ included) that Eva funding would lead to internal starvation. Furthermore the news reports often heard in the background often report mass famine and lawlessness in well known areas, so it’s safe to say that the post Second impact world is in a wretched state.


Not that theres any choice between starving people and compleate armageddon.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:06 pm

There would be a difference if this situation would be in a fanfic or in real life, but I'd say with either case Shinji and Misato having sex (whether or not to reproduce) would only be morally okay provided: 1) Shinji is the age of consent (that's covered) 2) Just a personal opinion, but there should be romantic feelings between them

And yes while Misato/Shinji is hawt, Shinji doesn't like her romantically but does see her as a mother/family. Misato does see Shinji as family too, and the one she truly loves is Kaji despite her confusion on how she feels about Shinji and her father.
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Postby Zaiku » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:45 am

Also, lets keep in mind that Shinji is very confused about his feelings towards everyone. There is also Kaworu, and Rei, and Asuka and he's really an emotional wreck.
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Postby Iron Rooster » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:43 am

Shinji looks like Dr. Katsuragi, therefore Misato wants his boner.

Okay, this point is a little more serious. Adding to Zaiku's point, knowing that Shinji is so afraid of being hurt, would he ever let himself be so vulnerable if he decided to act on romantic feelings?
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:22 am

Iron Rooster wrote: would he ever let himself be so vulnerable if he decided to act on romantic feelings?


I'd say this is possible if Shinji realizes that by allowing himself to be hurt, he could also let himself have some happiness too. And it seems that near the end, he's matured enough to accept this.

Case in point: In EoE, Rei and Kaworu both ask Shinji if it's alright if other people and AT Fields cause potential hurt once more. His response? "I don't mind."
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Postby Iron Rooster » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:08 am

Yeah, EoE does show a more mentally mature Shinji. Though during most of the series, he'd never consider a relationship, Kaworu notwithstanding. ;)
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Postby NemZ » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:35 am

...and then he spends some time alone in hell and goes crazy.

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Postby Zaiku » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:30 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:Case in point: In EoE, Rei and Kaworu both ask Shinji if it's alright if other people and AT Fields cause potential hurt once more. His response? "I don't mind."


That may be true, but he doesn't reach that level of maturity until EoE. And by then, the third impact has occured and he really doesn't have any choices left but Asuka.
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Postby Themaninblack » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:34 am

The Bastard King wrote:I forgot the exact proportion, but humanity's numbers got cut down ridiculously with the occurrence of Second Impact. Plus, growth rates were on a decline, so a main focus of the world's governments was to fix that. Of course, there are several methods, such as benefits for parents with more kids and "Japanese hello's" with benefits. But do you think the morals of what a good age to start "joy riding" at would change? And if so, would they be encouraged?

Let's face the facts: Asuka is a smart girl. College education, pilot since 3, blah blah blah, so on and so forth. Surely if she was really as intelligent as she's portrayed in the anime, she would know that there's no chance in hell of her getting with Kaji, and would control her hormones enough to not move beyond the point of playful flirting rather then trying to bed him with the unholy might of Satan that she was born with.

Red Devil, blah blah.

But what if it was legal? What if it was morally accepted? That would be a bit more reasonable in explaining her actions. And as sensible as Misato is, there's no way in hell she would offer her body to a 14 year old boy and risk being labeled as a pedophile simply for making him feel better, especially when she was so close to the truth. But if it was alright to "bag the salmon", that would give the scene a lot more credibility.

So do you think that the conditions of human growth on the planet got so bad that "one-on-one d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duels" between teens and adults would be morally and legally accepted and encouraged? And more importantly, do you think that Misato/Shinji is hot as hell?

Cuz I do. And I do.



First off you rule fellow M/S shipper

Second thing...even though mankind would have more than enough people lying around, second impact probaly made people more homophboic and less agianst 14x29 year old action. As to get over the grief and hard times people would turn to reproductive sex to get a sense of immortality when faced with impending death. It would have just started getting weird agian, and by the time the Angels hit...not be a big issue.

So yes, feel free to whack off guilt free.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:51 am

And by then, the third impact has occurred and he really doesn't have any choices left but Asuka.



It's not so much "Any choices left" as Asuka being the one he fell in love with, so he doesn't want anybody else.
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Postby Lucretius » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:29 pm

Zaiku wrote:
That may be true, but he doesn't reach that level of maturity until EoE. And by then, the third impact has occured and he really doesn't have any choices left but Asuka.


I don't think Misato was really on his menu to begin with, at least not in that way:

Shinji (staring at Misato's cross):
Mama...?

Misato (voice):
I wasn't able to become Shinji's mother after all...

He shuddered a bit, remembering the somewhat creepy level of detail Kaji had gone into, while rubbing a watermelon in a disturbingly sexual way.

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Postby Lucretius » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:39 pm

Lucretius wrote:
Zaiku wrote:
That may be true, but he doesn't reach that level of maturity until EoE. And by then, the third impact has occured and he really doesn't have any choices left but Asuka.


I don't think Misato was really on his menu to begin with, at least not in that way:

Shinji (staring at Misato's cross):
Mama...?

Misato (voice):
I wasn't able to become Shinji's mother after all...


True, she appears in a rather sexualized fashion in his ep. 20 dream, but as Herr Freud will tell you, that's not necessarily inconsistent with Misato being a mother fugure for him. :wink: Also, consider the radio program Misato is listening to ins said episode:


RADIO:
Sure, I can understand, but I guess that's what's called the oral stage.

RITSUKO:
The restoration of Unit 01 will be complete the day after tomorrow.

RADIO:
It's something a psychologist came up with a long time ago.

Misato:
In the end, I guess humans will even use God's powers as a tool.

RADIO:
In other words, it's where you want to be with your mother forever.
It refers to people who want to always be dependent on someone.
There's someone like that among my acquaintences too,
and you're a lot like him.

RITSUKO:
I don't know about that.
I hear some on the committee have even suggested a freeze.

RADIO:
So, well, as far as I can see from your letter,
from your girlfriend's standpoint,

Misato:
The artificial human Evangelion...

RADIO:
being your lover, your mother, and what else, your kid sister?

Misato:
For it being man-made,
don't you think the black box of unknowns is too large?

RADIO:
I think being all of these things for you is pretty rough.
And you know, aren't you sort of taking advantage of her place as a lover,

Misato:
Well, not that I care, since Shinji was ultimately saved.

RADIO:
using it as your personal outlet for your libido?
Okay, well, that might have been a little extreme.

RITSUKO:
That wasn't me. It was you, probably.

RADIO:
But a woman is very sensitive to whether someone loves her or not.
So I think she's probably twigged onto that by now,
that you're looking for a mother you can sleep with in her.

RITSUKO:
How about it? Want to go out for a drink for once?

RADIO:
And if she still hasn't brought up splitting up with you,

Misato:
Sorry, I've got somewhere to go today.

RADIO:
she might be one of those nice girls that are pretty rare these days,
you know?

Heh, come to think of it, this radio show might have something to do with Shinji's relationship with Asuka as well. (c.f. Asuka's accusations during the kitchen scene in 26'.)

Damn it, it looks like I hit the "quote" button instead of the edit button. Didn't mean to double post.
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Postby Zaiku » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:09 pm

It's not so much "Any choices left" as Asuka being the one he fell in love with, so he doesn't want anybody else.


True, but the reason he turns to her in the first place, is because he is scared of Misato since she tried to make a move on him, and scared of Rei because she isn't the same Rei and they have distanced. Plus considering that in EoE, Asuka had a VERY strong will to survive, so she came back. And Shinji got to come back because he was 'God.'

I'm not arguing with you that Shinji and Asuka aren't in love, it's clear from the show, however, if by some chance, Shinji and Misato were the two left after the 3I... Then there was a good chance that something would've happened, especially since they needed to do the rest of the 'adult kiss.'
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Postby Themaninblack » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:33 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:
And by then, the third impact has occurred and he really doesn't have any choices left but Asuka.



It's not so much "Any choices left" as Asuka being the one he fell in love with, so he doesn't want anybody else.



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