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Postby Ocelot » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:58 pm

Of all the relationships in the series this one is the most complex. I think it's obvious it's sexual and extremely evident, but what is the extent to which Shinji and Asuka acknowledge it?

I found the end of EoE to be that they both acknowledged it and could finally be happy, after both of them trying to disconnect themselves (comatose scene, scene in the apartment)

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:02 pm

http://evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=0

I think they both love each other, but they don't have enough common sense to put theirselves out there. (Why's it called common sense when 90% of people don't have it?)
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Postby Ocelot » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:11 pm

If you listen to Komm susser Tod, the lyrics seem like it's Shinji thinking about Asuka and vice versa, them finally realizing their love.

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:15 pm

Therefor, ReTake is the perfect follow-up for EoE.
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Postby Ocelot » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:25 pm

Re-Take is actually really good and if fleshed out more (no pun intended) it would be good canon material.

The things I liked about EoE and Re-Take were how graphic they were. Not because I only like sex and violence, but the series is extremely graphic within the characters own heads yet it isn't reflected as well on the outside.

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:28 pm

Exactly! And I like that you have to actually pay attention and it's not something you just watch and you know what's going on.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:31 pm

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Postby AuraTwilight » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:50 pm

My god, they have the be the most dysfunctional relationship I've EVER seen. I'm so glad that the "Adam and Eve" EoE theory isn't true or humanity is F*CKED!

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:54 pm

Have to agree with you there.
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Postby LeoXiao » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:57 pm

Why was Shinji strangling Asuka at the end? If he wanted to do it wouldn't it have happened earlier?

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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:11 pm

LeoXiao wrote:Why was Shinji strangling Asuka at the end? If he wanted to do it wouldn't it have happened earlier?


There are plenty of other threads for this facet of their relationship, such as

http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2270
http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3806
http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3858

and probably a bunch more besides.

We also have this lot

http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=963
http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267

as pre-existing Shinji X Asuka threads (and there are others in the ANF archive as well)
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Postby LeoXiao » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:31 pm

Wow that took me a while to work my way through. The [inter]Net is vast and infinite.

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Postby SeanTucker » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:46 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:My god, they have the be the most dysfunctional relationship I've EVER seen. I'm so glad that the "Adam and Eve" EoE theory isn't true or humanity is F*CKED!


Well, according to Wikipedia one interpretation of Asuka's last line in the subbed version is that she feels sick, which is to say she has morning sickness, which is to say she's somehow pregnant, presumably with Shinji's kid.
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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:47 pm

Ahh, the imagination of some people...
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Postby swamp147 » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:49 pm

SeanTucker wrote:which is to say she's somehow pregnant, presumably with Shinji's kid.

I hate that interpretation. It's so ridiculous, whoever came up with it had to have been joking.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:57 pm

SeanTucker wrote:one interpretation of Asuka's last line in the subbed version is that she feels sick


I think you want this thread : http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1879

also this interview : http://animaniajapan.livedoor.biz/archi ... 87653.html
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Postby BobBQ » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:17 pm

Shinji and Asuka are fucked-up little kiddies who shouldn't be paired with anyone until they've gotten some counseling.

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:19 pm

That statement can also be directed at millions of people in the world today. Whose to say we all don't have problems that diserve counseling.
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Re: Depth of Shinji and Asuka's relationship

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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:43 pm

Trying to get back to TOPIC, BITCHES

Ocelot wrote:Of all the relationships in the series this one is the most complex. I think it's obvious it's sexual and extremely evident, but what is the extent to which Shinji and Asuka acknowledge it?


Shinji - knows that he's shacked up with a faptastic exotic redhead, but only seems interested in the chassis, and only then while the owner is in downtime.

Asuka - Wants to be a real woman, but that involves finding a real man, or at least one who could be considered her peer -- and Shinji comes a distant last in a field of one there. Every time she seems to think "Surely I must have been mistaken, he can't be that useless" Shinji rises to the occasion by being even more useless.

Also (from here http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic ... 7001#57001)

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The feelings Asuka has are an emptiness in her heart and an itch in her knickers; feelings which get slightly confused, but are basically about finding victims to satiate her hollowness.

Things become a lot clearer when you stop trying to interpret her actions and intentions as other than wanting to selfishly sate her own needs.
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Postby thewayneiac » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:52 pm

IrkenEvangelion wrote:I think they both love each other, but they don't have enough common sense to put theirselves out there. (Why's it called common sense when 90% of people don't have it?)


Because it's common in the sense of "ordinary" e.g. "the common cold". In other words, you don't have to be a genius to figure out things that require common sense. It's not common in the sense of "widely held", e.g. "a common belief is....". You were assuming the wrong application of the word common.

Mr. Tines wrote:<copypasta>
The feelings Asuka has are an emptiness in her heart and an itch in her knickers; feelings which get slightly confused, but are basically about finding victims to satiate her hollowness.

Things become a lot clearer when you stop trying to interpret her actions and intentions as other than wanting to selfishly sate her own needs.
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A good point. At one point in the EOE "Pre-3I Instrumentality" sequence, Asuka says, "I wonder if I'll be like Misato when I grow up." Considering the hints we are given about Misato's sex life, she's well on her way.
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