What did Gendo mean by "Let's eat"?

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Postby Dave » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:01 am

Not sure if this even has an answer, but here I go anyway. Gendou, standing in front of a naked Rei floating in the dummy production system, says (after a few other lines): "Let's eat." That line always creeped me out, especially when I hear Tristan speak it. Why would Anno (or whoever the hell was working on that episode) put that in there? And if your going to yell at me for overanalyzing a meaningless line, don't post. :P
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:31 am

Dave wrote:Gendou, standing in front of a naked Rei floating in the dummy production system, says (after a few other lines): "Let's eat."


Which episode is this?
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Postby Tabris » Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:09 am

Mr. Tines wrote:Which episode is this?


Episode 17, I think.

I don't know exactly what's meant by the line, but the scene says two things to me... it reaffirms the 'substance' of Gendo and Rei's relationship (since he wants to eat with her and she then smiles, as if pleased)... and it hints (on second viewing) that this is causing Ritsuko some discomfort or doubt...

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Postby DatDude » Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:29 pm

For some reason that scene gave me the creeps. It gave me the impression that Rei was detached because of how Gendo treated her growing up. Like he raised her in an emotional void and only barly showed her kindness, just enough for her to notice so she'd be loyal.

Mabe im reading to much into this but its manipulations that hurts children that really make me dislike gendo.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:32 pm

Rei 1 presumably spent the entirely of her life, until sometime in 2010 (the same year that it ended), hidden in the Third Annex of the Artificial Evolution Laboratory, removed from all people except perhaps anyone who Gendo had working with her. But would Rei 2 even REMEMBER Rei 1's childhood? I suppose in a residual sort of way. If nothing else, she would remember Gendo as the one person to whom she had (was even allowed to have, really) an emotional attachment. All very deliberate manipulation on Gendo's part.
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Postby Shin-seiki » Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:38 pm

That scene is the first real hint that there is something going on with Ritsuko and Gendo. That fishy look in her eyes in the last cut is pure jealousy...

BTW, that is not just any naked Rei, that's Rei II, in the Dummy system tube... We see Kaworu in a similar contraption in the manga.

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Postby Phaze » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:10 pm

I guess I'm alone in my own interpretation of that line . . .

I believe Gendo said the same thing in the manga, so my bet is the line had a bit of context.
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Postby DatDude » Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:28 pm

Phaze wrote:I guess I'm alone in my own interpretation of that line . . .

I believe Gendo said the same thing in the manga, so my bet is the line had a bit of context.


Ok I'll bite whats your " interpretation " of that line?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:03 pm

Dave wrote:Not sure if this even has an answer, but here I go anyway. Gendou, standing in front of a naked Rei floating in the dummy production system, says (after a few other lines): "Let's eat." That line always creeped me out, especially when I hear Tristan speak it. Why would Anno (or whoever the hell was working on that episode) put that in there? And if your going to yell at me for overanalyzing a meaningless line, don't post. :P


Why say that? Foreshadowing - food, and its communal context, is important throughout the whole of the rest of the episode. Gendo, in paternal mode, blithely oblivious to the glare boring into his shoulderblades, segues into Touji the walking stomach, the "marital tiff" between Shinji and Asuka for lack of provender, all the way through to Hikari gaining, alas too late, the courage to work on the old motto about the way to a man's heart being through his stomach.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:25 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:That scene is the first real hint that there is something going on with Ritsuko and Gendo. That fishy look in her eyes in the last cut is pure jealousy...


And considering that Gendo gets it on more often with Rei than Ritsuko in H-doujinshi (<-- rough impression based on a very hasty sampling of what's out there), Ritchan has plenty to be jealous about.
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Postby Hunter21 » Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:35 pm

Reichu wrote:And considering that Gendo gets it on more often with Rei than Ritsuko in H-doujinshi (<-- rough impression based on a very hasty sampling of what's out there), Ritchan has plenty to be jealous about.


(Hunter shakes his head in disapproval)- That is just sick.

Why say that? Foreshadowing - food, and its communal context, is important throughout the whole of the rest of the episode. Gendo, in paternal mode, blithely oblivious to the glare boring into his shoulderblades, segues into Touji the walking stomach, the "marital tiff" between Shinji and Asuka for lack of provender, all the way through to Hikari gaining, alas too late, the courage to work on the old motto about the way to a man's heart being through his stomach.


Nice catch Mr. Tines, I hadn't noticed that. But know that I have that scene actually means something to me.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:41 pm

Hunter21 wrote:(Hunter shakes his head in disapproval)- That is just sick.


I'll be sure to send you the one where Gendo has a little fun down in the 3rd Annex with Rei 1... :barf: Too wrong for words.
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Postby Carl Horn » Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:29 pm

What's truly disconcerting is what you didn't see--right after that scene, they went down to the NERV cafeteria, where Rei proceeded to consume an entire bucket of macaroni salad.

You know, if Rei ever farted in EVANGELION--I mean, even once--it might be enough to cause a major reassessment of her character. The time to do it would have been the stuck-in-the-elevator scene in "Don't Be," which is either the longest or second-longest still scene in the series. Gainax wouldn't have had to animate a single extra frame--just load up Megumi Hayashibara with B-B-Q potato chips, Anno's favorite vegan snack. The unbearable silence of the moment would then have at least been broken by a steady stream of rude noises issuing forth from Rei, until she finally says, "If you don't open your mind to her, Eva will not move," and Asuka starts screaming "Du hast den Arsch offen!"

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Postby Reichu » Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:41 pm

In the "ReDeath" version of that scene, Asuka got the fart. But Rei did get to belch repeatedly.
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Postby Hunter21 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:41 pm

Reichu wrote:I'll be sure to send you the one where Gendo has a little fun down in the 3rd Annex with Rei 1... :barf: Too wrong for words.

Please tell me you find these by accident and you don't look for them on purpose.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:15 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:That scene is the first real hint that there is something going on with Ritsuko and Gendo. That fishy look in her eyes in the last cut is pure jealousy...

Define "real.

The first hint of Ritsuko's affections for Gendo is hinted at in Episode 2 during Misato's bath scene. Or perhaps just before that when Gendo and Ritsuko are in the damaged test facility. There's some definite tension there.

My take on "Let's eat" is thus:

Rei is the only thing Gendo has left of Yui, so naturally, his affections for Yui are evident in his treatment of Rei. And some fans, and even the character of Ritsuko have the belief that he may well be "having his way" with her. This obviously gets on Ritsuko's nerves, and her jealousy is apparent. Unlike her mother who stated that she didn't care about him still loving Yui, Ritsuko obviously does. It is ironic that the character who openly expresses her distaste for relationships and love actually falls in love, or at the least, is possesive of her lover.
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Postby Reichu » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:27 pm

Hunter21 wrote:Please tell me you find these by accident and you don't look for them on purpose.


Well, that particular one was in an anthology I got accidentally.

Back when thekillingmantra had an ungodly collection of doujinshi online, morbid curiosity provoked me to look through them a bit. Overall, it was a foolish move -- mostly lame porn, very little of it redeeming itself through novelty or comedic value. And absolutely none were serious, mature work (i.e., not of the "let's see how many objects we can fit into Asuka's <insert orifice of choice>" variety).

But, hey... I wouldn't have found "D-Cup Hunter" if it weren't for my brave ventures.

EvaMonkey wrote:The first hint of Ritsuko's affections for Gendo is hinted at in Episode 2 during Misato's bath scene. Or perhaps just before that when Gendo and Ritsuko are in the damaged test facility. There's some definite tension there.


If you're referring to the "I'm just like Ritsuko" bit... please elucidate on your interpretation, because last time this came up there was a bit of disagreement.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:26 pm

Reichu wrote:If you're referring to the "I'm just like Ritsuko" bit... please elucidate on your interpretation, because last time this came up there was a bit of disagreement.

In episode 2, when Misato is in the bath, she has a phone conversation with Ritsuko. Afterwards she comments to herself as to how she was thinking of Shinji as a tool. In otherwords, to cure her loneliness she began to construct a "synthetic family" as Ritsuko once refers to it. She says (Literal Translation Series) "Then I was regarding him as my tool. I'm the same as Ritsuko. Even though we defeated the Angel... I don't feel happy."

This line always struck me odd. The meaning evaded me for the longest time. Reading some of Amanda Wells' thoughts on Ritsuko led me to understand Misato's comparison. Misato was using Shinji to cure her loneliness, and believes herself to be shameless like Ritsuko. Being a comparison, Misato must be shameless in the same sense as Ritsuko, and if she were using Shinji as a tool, then Ritsuko would logically be using someone as a tool as well. The only person it could be is Gendo. How and to what extent is irrelevant, the fact is that Misato subtly acknowledges that Ritsuko is involved with Gendo at that point. Not surprising, considering the gossip and connection between best friends, even if it isn't explicit, Misato could have picked up on it at some point.
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Postby Carl Horn » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:35 pm

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Reichu wrote:If you're referring to the "I'm just like Ritsuko" bit... please elucidate on your interpretation, because last time this came up there was a bit of disagreement.

In episode 2, when Misato is in the bath, she has a phone conversation with Ritsuko. Afterwards she comments to herself as to how she was thinking of Shinji as a tool. In otherwords, to cure her loneliness she began to construct a "synthetic family" as Ritsuko once refers to it. She says (Literal Translation Series) "Then I was regarding him as my tool. I'm the same as Ritsuko. Even though we defeated the Angel... I don't feel happy."

This line always struck me odd. The meaning evaded me for the longest time. Reading some of Amanda Wells' thoughts on Ritsuko led me to understand Misato's comparison. Misato was using Shinji to cure her loneliness, and believes herself to be shameless like Ritsuko. Being a comparison, Misato must be shameless in the same sense as Ritsuko, and if she were using Shinji as a tool, then Ritsuko would logically be using someone as a tool as well. The only person it could be is Gendo. How and to what extent is irrelevant, the fact is that Misato subtly acknowledges that Ritsuko is involved with Gendo at that point. Not surprising, considering the gossip and connection between best friends, even if it isn't explicit, Misato could have picked up on it at some point.


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Postby Dave » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:02 am

You know Monkey, she might just have been referring to how Ritsuko treats Shinji... seemed rather obvious if you ask me. :P By the way, who is Amanda Wells?
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