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Postby Merridian » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:20 am

:lol: It's been awhile for me as well. I started rewatching it again relatively recently but then I bogged myself down with a load of new/retro stuff and never got back to it. Might revisit it again after that promised re-watch of Texhnolyze...

Closer to the topic: I really don't think the ending of RahXephon ripped NGE off at all, though there are many who draw the obvious parellels ("remaking" reality--flawed parallel obviously, but often cited regardless, psycho-trip, a whole lotta cast-killin', etc.). Also,
cogitoergosum wrote:With that being said I believe it is unfair to view RahXephon as an Evangelion clone.
It's pretty far from a clone even on the narrative's structure, content, and execution levels, but I think it's impossible to say that it was subtle in how blatantly NGE influenced its aesthetics and dynamics. Really, NGE's conflict revolved around the characters' personal struggles with themselves & each other while simultaneously alienating the "ENEMY" to be portrayed more as a force of nature rather than a sympathetic 'side'. RahXephon plays a lot more with this (rather generic and overdone IMO) "Us Vs. Them" conflict between the Humans and the Mu. There are still conflicts between the characters, but there's far more effort put into developing the Mu/Human dichotomy. In this respect it isn't necessarily inferior to NGE at all--it's actually quite different. Just not quite as well executed, which is understandable due to NGE's complete bait & switch tactics concerning plot & content. RahXephon was already working with themes that had been done many times before even within anime, NGE not as much.

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Postby Dr. Nick » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:21 am

N-n-n-necro!

There's supposedly some relevant info here, but it's all moonrunes:

http://www21.tok2.com/home/modeler21/xephon/hukan01.html

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:51 am

All I remember about Rahxephon was that it was very pretty & very uninteresting. I'm trying to rack my brain about what happened in the show but all I remember is every woman wanted to get with the lead kid.

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The way her neck crained just... *shudders* B/

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Postby Alaska Slim » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:50 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:All I remember about Rahxephon was that it was very pretty & very uninteresting. I'm trying to rack my brain about what happened in the show but all I remember is every woman wanted to get with the lead kid.

Excluding his mother, the lady whose body was taken over, and the Pilot b*tch after she found out he was a Mu, yeah, pretty much.

I still remember him kissing Haruko seemed unnatural as hell, Shinji's kiss wasn't that awkward, and their feelings were supposed to be far more mutual.
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Postby gwern » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:52 am

You guys should read Oshii's criticisms of RahXephon (movie) and Izutaka's defenses, then: http://forum.evageeks.org/viewtopic.php?p=492555#492555

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Postby Rahxephon » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:35 pm

How nany people have seen rahxephon here?

its actually one of my two favorite animes.. right up there with eva..

Now some eva fans tend to dismiss it as just a eva clone or copy and immediately hate it and don't even give it a chance,while some people tend to think Iits "eva done right".

I tend to be in the latter camp although I in no way think its better than eva just they did a better job planning and not wasting their money too soon ;)

But at the end of the day they are quite different because rahxephon is all about the love story really.

What do you guys think of rahxephon? are there any connections to be made from the two series?
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Postby Giji Shinka » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:42 pm

I swear i've seen this type of thread somewhere............

Uhhh...Anyways, i have not seen Rahxephon completely, but i can say that i'ts basically Eva with less mindfuckery in it.

It hasn't shown if it's more than just a copy of Eva. I hope it proves me wrong. :kawaii:
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Postby Rahxephon » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:55 pm

View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:I swear i've seen this type of thread somewhere............

Uhhh...Anyways, i have not seen Rahxephon completely, but i can say that i'ts basically Eva with less mindfuckery in it.

It hasn't shown if it's more than just a copy of Eva. I hope it proves me wrong. :kawaii:



I believe you will be pleasently surprised there is definitely mind fuckery in rahxephon.. especially starting in the later episodes maybe around ep 10 it begins?

Just like with eva there are scdnes like the ones where the angels mind rape the pilots.

It ends on just as big a mind fuck apocolypse scale as eva.. but a way clearer ending as well as ending on a very different note..

There are also some episodes that are just heart wrenching . rah fans should no which scene I mean. if you don't cry you have no heart! ;)

Rahxephon is AWESOME. not quite as awesome as eva but almost as good in my book!
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Postby Katana » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:57 pm

I can clearly tell that Kamina Ayato has more balls than Shinji. *Trollface*

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Postby Stillborn » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:09 pm

View Original PostKatana wrote:I can clearly tell that Kamina Ayato has more balls than Shinji. *Trollface*


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Postby amitakartok » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:12 pm

I have seen RahXephon (both the series and the movie) and can say with absolute certainty that it's even more confusing and incomprehensible than Eva.
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Postby Katana » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:14 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:It's not that hard achievement if you're not punished for it.
Awww, come on, I was just kidding.

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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:05 pm

I like RahXephon a lot. There's not as much mind-fuckery as in Eva, and it moves more smoothly to its ending, but I think it's a mistake when people simply dismiss it as a copy of Eva (which in many respects it isn't).
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Postby Justacrazyguy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:07 pm

Just a matter of time before they merge this with that older thread...

Anyway, I liked Rahxephon, but I don´t think it reaches Evangelion.

Bad points:

-Some slow episodes

-Cast was too big

-Ending is almost incomprehensible

Good points:

-Good animation

-Dream like atmosphere

Also, wasn´t rahxephon heavily based on an old mecha show?
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Postby Rahxephon » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:11 pm

View Original PostJustacrazyguy wrote:Just a matter of time before they merge this with that older thread...

Anyway, I liked Rahxephon, but I don´t think it reaches Evangelion.

Bad points:

-Some slow episodes

-Cast was too big

-Ending is almost incomprehensible

Good points:

-Good animation

-Dream like atmosphere

Also, wasn´t rahxephon heavily based on an old mecha show?


They took the Mu aztec type imagery as well as the design of the rahxephon from an OLD SKOOL super robot show called brave fighter reideen. the mind fuckery from eva and a great love story and rolled it all into one bad ass anime ;)

The ending is somewhat similar to eva but with very different outcome and themes.

And on the the subject of kamina ayato he's one of my favorite anime characters of all time. he goes thru his depression phase and I don't wanna pilot phase but it only lasts one episode. definitely more balls than Shinji and infinitely more likeable and relatable IMO
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Postby robersora » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:17 pm

View Original PostRahxephon wrote:They took the Mu aztec type imagery as well as the design of the rahxephon from an OLD SKOOL super robot show called brave fighter reideen. the mind fuckery from eva and a great love story FROM MACROSS and rolled it all into one bad ass anime ;)

The ending is somewhat similar to eva but with very different outcome and themes.


fixed

Seriously though... Of course you can compare Rahxephon and Evangelion. To Rahxephon's misfortune, it came too early after Eva. If it would have been released in 2010, and there was no Rebuild, nobody would scream "rip off, rip off" as loudly. But at the point of Rahxephon's release the memory of Eva was still too vivid in people's heads.

But to say that it's bad, just because it borrows many ideas from many Anime would be too simple and unfair in my opinion.

It is not groundbreaking, and maybe it lacks a little bit of the soul EVA has, but for that what it is it is good.
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:40 pm

View Original PostRahxephon wrote:an OLD SKOOL super robot show called brave fighter reideen.

Yuusha Raideen; sadly less than half of it is available with fan subs - which is a bit of a bummer because when it was first released in the USA in 1976 the whole show had subtitles, but they seem to have vanished without trace.

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Postby Tankred » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:44 pm

This thread will never stop repeating.

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Postby Rahxephon » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:45 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:fixed

Seriously though... Of course you can compare Rahxephon and Evangelion. To Rahxephon's misfortune, it came too early after Eva. If it would have been released in 2010, and there was no Rebuild, nobody would scream "rip off, rip off" as loudly. But at the point of Rahxephon's release the memory of Eva was still too vivid in people's heads.

But to say that it's bad, just because it borrows many ideas from many Anime would be too simple and unfair in my opinion.

It is not groundbreaking, and maybe it lacks a little bit of the soul EVA has, but for that what it is it is good.


I can be down with that ;)

Eva is eva its one of the most iconic anime ever and deservedly so. so any show that can even come close to it in quality is great in my book.

But eva doesn't have a copyright on minfucked mecha seseries in fact I would be overjoyed to have even more mecha series that are minfuckery and psychological or whatever... would rather have more eva clones than star driver or majestic prince or other mechas (though I do like carefree anime and mecha series sometimes as well)

So rahxephon rightly deserves its number 2 spot behind eva for me :)
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Postby Redtophat » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:45 pm

Haha i'm currently watching Rahxephon and am really liking it, the similarities with Eva are superficial at best. The art and music in this show are beautiful too.


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