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Postby Conrad Gray » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:34 pm

Evangelion has grittier and more realistic style, but Rahxephon is definitely prettier. You can argue that NGE's aesthetics is superior, but you can't say it's more attractive or better-looking, because the realistic style makes things ugly by default. Not that ugly is a bad thing because when you are trying to show the horrors of war ugly/gritty/realistic is the way to go.

However Rahxephon is still prettier and Quon is hotter than Rei and all detractors can't argue with any of this!

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Postby Rabid-Sachiel » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:47 pm

@Xard

You used my own weapon against me, like what I did to Zapx.

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Postby Shinji-kun » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:08 am

@ Xard/RS
The key animator is Iso Mitsuo. Coincidentally enough he did the key animation for Rah too.
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Postby Xard » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:31 am

I prefer NGE's visuals: the iconic visual designs use of washed colours in hospital scenes, the iconic hell train colour schemes etc. are really something

In "usual scenes" Rah of course is pwettier

but in "animation quality" Rah/Eva fight isn't matter of opinion but is objective: Rah's animation quality is far superior to NGE's, as it should be


Rabid-Sachiel wrote:@Xard

You used my own weapon against me, like what I did to Zapx.


Well, I didn't do that consciously. It's just that what you wrote was one of stupidest things I've read in a while. Seriously.

Shinji-kun wrote:@ Xard/RS
The key animator is Iso Mitsuo. Coincidentally enough he did the key animation for Rah too.


uhh... Iso Mitsuo is key animator of what exactly in NGE? There were many key animators in Eva, of course

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Postby Alaska Slim » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:26 am

Xard wrote:
Conrad Gray wrote:Plus Rahxephon has the better music.


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Postby Xard » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:26 am

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Postby Alaska Slim » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:02 am

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Postby Xard » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:06 am

no, I still don't get it. What has teh old men have to do with me viewing Rah's OST superior to NGE's?

(obviously I'm not counting NGE's usage of Beethoven, Händel, Bach etc. just the original tracks

though EoE is bitchin' and better than Rah IMO)

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Postby Alaska Slim » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:29 am

Xard wrote:(obviously I'm not counting NGE's usage of Beethoven, Händel, Bach etc. just the original tracks

Rather peculiar since that very music covers quite a bit of Evangelion, including nearly every dramatic moment for half the series. For all that I could tell, you were citing it for unoriginality in that respect, but my mistake. :sweatdrop:
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Postby Rabid-Sachiel » Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:59 pm

Alaska Slim wrote:Jap


This gives me rage of the brooklyn variety, as I love Japan... even if you were just kidding (which you probably were).

Xard wrote:Well, I didn't do that consciously. It's just that what you wrote was one of stupidest things I've read in a while. Seriously.


That's quite offensive and pretentious of you.
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Postby Dr. Nick » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:21 pm

Here's a little something for Yojimbo. Apparently that Anno's trademark hand shot we talked about comes from Bio-Armor Jushin Liger, which is apparently one of the darker series by Go Nagai. This is pretty much the least surprising thing ever, knowing how Nagai's Devilman was one of the two primary influences for Eva.

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The only real difference is that there's a glowing beast sign instead of blood or spunk.

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Postby Eva Yojimbo » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:20 pm

@Alaska Slim: When I was talking about the music from both series I meant the original music. I have the utmost respect for Anno's use of classical music in NGE and it's probably what would lead me to say I prefer the use of music in NGE to Rah. However, if we're talking about just sitting down and listening to either, I vastly prefer Rah.

@Dr. Nick: Is there another series that uses the hand motif (or any other motif) in the way NGE does? Especially when it comes to connecting different parts of the series together and as character development? This may not make sense since I'm not sure if you've ever read all of my extensive hand motif analyses stuff.
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Postby Dr. Nick » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:13 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:@Dr. Nick: Is there another series that uses the hand motif (or any other motif) in the way NGE does? Especially when it comes to connecting different parts of the series together and as character development?


I haven't seen any that use the hand motif as heavily as Eva. That's Anno's all-original handiwork, I'm sure. The Liger screenie is simply one more nail in the coffin of Evaxephon's rip-off argument. Rahxephon copies some particular camera angles and framings from Eva? Gee, Eva copies some angles and framings too!

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Postby Mongoosedog » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:40 pm

Dr. Nick wrote:
Eva Yojimbo wrote:@Dr. Nick: Is there another series that uses the hand motif (or any other motif) in the way NGE does? Especially when it comes to connecting different parts of the series together and as character development?


I haven't seen any that use the hand motif as heavily as Eva. That's Anno's all-original handiwork, I'm sure. The Liger screenie is simply one more nail in the coffin of Evaxephon's rip-off argument. Rahxephon copies some particular camera angles and framings from Eva? Gee, Eva copies some angles and framings too!


yeah, i find it ridiculous when people say that rahxephon directly rips off eva, both series borrow things from other series, it's not uncommon for shows to do that, either as a tribute or whatever reason
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Postby Xard » Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:27 am

Rabid-Sachiel wrote:
Xard wrote:Well, I didn't do that consciously. It's just that what you wrote was one of stupidest things I've read in a while. Seriously.


That's quite offensive and pretentious of you.


entirely justified

How someone can go and say director of anime animated and drew the show all by himself is so ludicruous one can only spam facepalms and epic fail

@Dr. Nick: very interesting find!

IIRC it was Sadamoto who always streched Devilman influence though, not Anno (Devilman's influence always lingered on Sadamoto's contributions to show more heavily).

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Postby Rabid-Sachiel » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:24 pm

Well, It's IMPERTINENT. There was no need to act like that.
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Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:33 am

Stories are always influenced in one way or another by popular culture, novels, art, film, philosophies, etc. Evangelion, for example, was influenced by novels like Childhood's End and The Andromeda Strain. In a sense, Evangelion was also influenced by the author Jules Verne who pioneered the sci-fi genre and made it so popular.

With that being said I believe it is unfair to view RahXephon as an Evangelion clone. It is indeed true that RahXephon was greatly influenced by Evangelion but there are many differences between the two shows. Eva was more influenced by novels and existentialism while RahXephon draws more from music and visual arts. An advantage that RahXephon might have over Eva is that it actually "makes sense". Although overall I like Evangelion best because of the "weird" factor and also because it has deeper meanings.
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Postby Eva Yojimbo » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:32 am

cogitoergosum wrote:An advantage that RahXephon might have over Eva is that it actually "makes sense".
NGE makes as much sense as Rah; it just requires a good deal of thinking and consideration before one gets to that point of sense-making. ^_^
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Postby Merridian » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:39 am

Eva Yojimbo wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:An advantage that RahXephon might have over Eva is that it actually "makes sense".
NGE makes as much sense as Rah; it just requires a good deal of thinking and consideration before one gets to that point of sense-making.
NGE makes MORE sense than RahXephon. The ending of RahXephon was so half-assed that I can't believe anyone could pass it off as "coherent/logical". Judging from the amount of people elsewhere that disagree with this statement, however, I'm led to believe that it's proof of how much EoTV bored people and EoE disturbed them, when really all they wanted was two mechas fighting each other for no reason and--against all previously-established in-series logic--mystically make everything better & live happily ever after.

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Postby Eva Yojimbo » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:17 am

You're probably right, Merridian. It's been too long since I've seen Rah.
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