Eva pet peeves

[MassiveInvader]

I saw this one video on Youtube where this person said that one of the reasons why he wouldn't trust Shinji to pilot an eva for the human race is because "he looks like he has Down Syndrome".

[Bagheera]

Actual pet peeves, rather than just things I disliked/found problematic:

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"Eva doesn't make any sense."

"Eva is pretentious."

"They ran out of budget at the end."

"Anno was making it up as he went along." (to clarify, he was clearly changing shit all along the way, but it's not like he went into it with no goal in sight or was just winging it most of the time.)

"EoE is Anno's way of saying 'fuck you' to the fans."

"Asuka is a bitch."

"Asuka is tsundere."

"Shinji needs to grow a spine/some balls."

"Shinji grew a spine/some balls at the end of Break."

"Shinji is gay for Kaworu."

"Rei has no personality."

"Rebuild." (the term, not the NTE)

"Rebuild (sic) fixes everything that's wrong with NGE."

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"Fanfic X is better than Eva because . . . " particularly if it involves rescuing Asuka from the harpies.

That's the short list.

[Xard]

It's sensible list but Asuka is tsundere as the category is large enough category to swallow her in.

[Bagheera]

It's sensible list but Asuka is tsundere as the category is large enough category to swallow her in.

Only because it no longer means anything. These days anyone who isn't flat or nice all the time is labeled tsundere, even if their interactions with particular people are strikingly consistent. IMO Asuka is better labeled tsunshun, with Shikinami being a proper tsundere and a good illustration of why the term is misapplied in Soryu's case.

[Xard]

isn't flat

but Kugikyu loli brand is the most notorious of them all!

IMO Asuka is better labeled tsunshun

wtf is tsunshun? Shun as in shunning? That doesn't really describe Asuka's feelings towards Shinji because tsun + shun is 100% negative.

[Vegeta 20XX]

Asuka and A/S Shipping in general is my biggest pet peeve about Eva, sometimes i get so pissed I don't even

And now I can relate to it.

When people watch Evangelion for the nudity and the violence.

I didn't know people even watched it for either reason.

Actual pet peeves, rather than just things I disliked/found problematic:

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"Fanfic X is better than Eva because . . . " particularly if it involves rescuing Asuka from the harpies.

That's the short list.

So, story where the author's favorite character is saved from certain doom? I know that feeling.

[Bagheera]

but Kugikyu loli brand is the most notorious of them all!

Flat = boring, not pettanko.

wtf is tsunshun? Shun as in shunning? That doesn't really describe Asuka's feelings towards Shinji because tsun + shun is 100% negative.

Tsun = hostile
Shun = lonely

So, characters who use hostility to hide the fact that they're lonely and miserable. The thing with Asuka is that she doesn't really have any dere moments; even with Kaji it's just a mask, since to her he's a means of legitimating her adulthood rather that someone she genuinely values as a person. IMO the only person she comes close with is Hikari, and that's just garden variety friendship. Everyone else gets hostility, a flimsy mask, or both.

I didn't know people even watched it for either reason.

I have to think they'd be bored if they did.

So, story where the author's favorite character is saved from certain doom? I know that feeling.

Less that than fucking up a perfectly sound character arc with their own feeble-minded saccharine substitute and then having the gall to call it better than the original when it's obvious they don't have the slightest clue as to what was actually going on.

It's different if they make a change and then address the implications, but most of the fics offered up as "better" don't do that.

[A.T. Fish]

I didn't know people even watched it for either reason.

Sure they do, violence and nudity are part of what got me interested in Eva when I first watched it (throw in religious symbolism, surrealistic monsters and giant robots in the mix as well). My 13 year old self was a much more immature person than me.

Almost forgot, the thing that gets on my nerves the most is Pen Pen reading a newspaper, seriously, everything else he does is fine, but the newspaper was too much.

[Darkwing]

The fan dumb. And sadly I can't say I'm totally free of it.

This is more a peeve with myself. I can't just walk away from Eva. Oh I know I should just set it down, and walk away, go watch and focus on something else for a while. But nooo, I always have to come back, get emotionally invested, and end up all pissed off and angry at Eva, vowing I'm done with it.
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A lot of things that did use to be pet peeves got dropped as I learned parts of the real life story behind Eva, like they really did run out of money, and Anno's whole deppresion thing. I guess needing to know that could count as a pet peeve, in of itself.

[Bagheera]

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A lot of things that did use to be pet peeves got dropped as I learned parts of the real life story behind Eva, like they really did run out of money, and Anno's whole deppresion thing. I guess needing to know that could count as a pet peeve, in of itself.

Except they didn't. We have a bunch of threads on it, but the short version is that they ran out of time and had issues with the studios hired to do the work. I'm not saying they were rolling in money or anything (they weren't), the EoTV was the result of a bunch of factors, with money like the third or fourth on the list.

[Darkwing]

Except they didn't. We have a bunch of threads on it, but the short version is that they ran out of time and had issues with the studios hired to do the work. I'm not saying they were rolling in money or anything (they weren't), the EoTV was the result of a bunch of factors, with money like the third or fourth on the list.

Oh, right. Thanks for reminding me.

Another thing I remember bugged me and my friends when we first watched Eva. They kept sending the Eva's out with the pallete Rifle. That thing almost never did diddly squat! The last episode we all saw actually ended up being the one with Material. We kept rewinding and watching it over because we just could not belive the gun finally killed something.

Here's one I may get after 3.0

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Shinji getting sole blame for 3rd Impact, and people ignoring Gendo and Seele's parts in it.

[GAP]

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Speaking of which, Gendo manipulatng both Akagi's for that matter. Anime!Gendo may noy be a monster but he still is not very trustworthy.

[Vegeta 20XX]

Another thing I remember bugged me and my friends when we first watched Eva. They kept sending the Eva's out with the pallete Rifle. That thing almost never did diddly squat! The last episode we all saw actually ended up being the one with Material. We kept rewinding and watching it over because we just could not belive the gun finally killed something.

Good point - all of the Angels before and after Matariel were either immune or close to immune to conventional weapons for various reasons. Then again, given that the only weapons that WERE effective were the positron rifle, the Lance/Spear of Longinus, and the Evangelions themselves, I suppose the idea was that any weapon was better than no weapon at all.

[Darkwing]

The Prog Knife also worked. Better than the guns anyway.

[Bagheera]

Another thing I remember bugged me and my friends when we first watched Eva. They kept sending the Eva's out with the pallete Rifle. That thing almost never did diddly squat! The last episode we all saw actually ended up being the one with Material. We kept rewinding and watching it over because we just could not belive the gun finally killed something.

Actually they rarely sent the Evas out with pallet rifles because the Angels attacked in ways that rendered them useless. Had Shinji learned how to utilize his ATF earlier on they would have worked fine against Sachiel and Shamshel, but they didn't even try with Ramiel and couldn't with Gaghiel, Sandalphon, Sahaquiel, Iruel, Arael, or Kaworu. That left Israfel (who cheated), Matarael (it worked that time!), Leliel (they didn't use rifles there, and she cheated anyway), Bardiel (special case), Zeruel and Armisael (who both legitimately blew 'em off).

So they only legitimately failed in two cases, and both those guys were pretty badass. The others either cheated or were so baroque the rifles just didn't come into play.

Edit: The prog knife was actually in much the same boat; it worked against Shamshel, Sandalphon, and Sahaquiel, but that's about it. As best I can recall it wasn't even employed otherwise (well, Asuka used it against the MPEs, but pretty much any weapon would have worked there since they weren't bothering with ATFs).

[Reichu]

As best I can recall it wasn't even employed otherwise

Used on Armisael. Brought out for Gaghiel, but couldn't be used. First engagement against Israfel was mostly off-screen, so could have been used then.

[Nyanlathotep]

The whole "god why doesn't Shinji man up?" shtick.

It's kind of like how people treat people with emotional disabilities in real life and I start to feel sick after hearing it too long.

[CyberXIII]

List of pet peeves? Let's see:

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"Shinji sucks."
"Asuka handled her emotional problems better than Shinji."
"Gendo Ikari wasn't THAT bad...."
"Yui Ikari was a good person and a saint!"
"Fuyutsuki was innocent of all crimes."
"Misato's a slutty slob!"
"End of Evangelion was a good ending to the series."
The hospital scene.
"Shinji's a wimp and needs to man up!"
"(End of) Evangelion makes complete and total sense!"
"Asuka's a tsundere!"
"Rei is a doormat!"
"The original series is GLORIOUS and PERFECT and no spinoff could come close to its greatness!"
"Rebuild is crap because it's new!"
"Shinji's as bad a monster as his father!"
"Gendo's not evil, he's misunderstood!"
"SEELE are well-intentioned people with clever plans for humanity!"
"EVAs have genders!"

There's more, but I think that is enough for now.

[Reichu]

List of pet peeves? Let's see:

I spot at least a few caricatures on that list. Might not be quite as annoying if the positions/arguments weren't so simplified?

I haven't really been following the thread, so I'm sure others are just as guilty... I've kind of refrained from posting here myself since it seems to basically amount to

"[Insert exaggerated and ridiculous-sounding version of some position I don't agree with here]"
or
"Stop disliking/liking what I like/dislike"

[CyberXIII]

Most of those caricatures are things I've actually seen people outside the forum say at least half a dozen times. I wish I was lying.