What are the "Adams"?

[NAveryW]

Thanks to Seele00TextOnly for this discovery, which links the four Adams to mythology already previously referenced in Neon Genesis.

"The Kabalists teach the existence of four distinct Adams, or the transformation of four consecutive Adams," according to... well, crap. According to Mme. Helena Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine.

Despite Blavatsky saying it's a Kabalistic concept, she was probably lying. The only references to four Adams I can find anywhere on the cybernet are to Evangelion or to theosophy, and Blavatsky liked to fabricate information to make her words appear more credible.

Sorry, AuraTwilight, but it looks like connections with theosophy in Wevangeliwon may turn out to be inescapable. The question is whether or not Khara intended to reference theosophy in this situation or whether they were just trying to reference the Kabbalah and didn't check whether or not Blavatsky was making this stuff up.

[AuraTwilight]

Sorry, AuraTwilight, but it looks like connections with theosophy in Wevangeliwon may turn out to be inescapable. The question is whether or not Khara intended to reference theosophy in this situation or whether they were just trying to reference the Kabbalah and didn't check whether or not Blavatsky was making this stuff up.

I'll hold out until the end purely out of spite. And also because at this point Rebuild has proven to be mostly trollans.

[NAveryW]

Yeah, I wouldn't consider anything definite yet. But it makes more sense to me than mitama.

[AuraTwilight]

Mitama makes more sense to me due to precedent.

Also, Mari is a FAR. Suck on that.

[Reichu]

So according to Rei's creepy collar, she's "Rei 2".

The insane 3.0 trailer shows us four other Rei.

I wondered for quite a while why one of the Adams has six little black thingies around its big black thingy, but suddenly IT ALL MADE SENSE TO ME.



(Note: I'm not sure how seriously I take this. It's for fun if nothing else.)

[UrsusArctos]

Is there any proof showing that the pilots themselves are the "Adams" in question? Evas were created from Adam, is it possible that they could be incomplete without their pilot in some fashion? And is an Eva more than the giant humanoid monster we see? I haven't been able to put my thoughts into anything resembling a proper order, but I do have the sneaking suspicion that the Adams in question have been "cursed by humanity" far beyond the Evas themselves...

[Azathoth]

Is there any proof showing that the pilots themselves are the "Adams" in question?

There's no proof that the Adams are related to anything else in the story, unfortunately. However, the "four Adams = four children meeting with Kaworu" is a tempting interpretation; so too is the similarity between the three-eyed Adam and the awakened Unit 01.

My instinct at this point is to identify the pilots with "LILIN+" rather than "ADAMS", but really it's too early to say that for sure.

[Reichu]

However, the "four Adams = four children meeting with Kaworu" is a tempting interpretation

Storyboard says that the shadows in that image belong to the four Reis.

My instinct at this point is to identify the pilots with "LILIN+" rather than "ADAMS", but really it's too early to say that for sure.

"LILIN+?" is just the caption that pops up before the "human" characters have their share of the preview. ALL OF THEM, including the boring ones that don't have any magic powers, like Kaji, Gendo, Misato, and Ritsuko. Hence, it would probably be more prurient to read the caption as "Lilin + ?", with the "?" referring to shady what-the-fucks like Kaworu (and possibly the other pubescents).

[UrsusArctos]

Storyboard says that the shadows in that image belong to the four Reis.

Goody! We can finally make sense of what is going on...

...or not.

Looks like there are four Giants of Light, and four Reis to go with them. Perhaps the danger of awakening Eva-01 was that Rei 2 was the Rei associated with Eva-01's original Giant of Light/Eva-01 in her original form. Gendo and Fuyutsuki did discuss the danger of putting Rei in Eva-01 prior to Operation Yashima, after all.

Rei 1, Rei 2, Rei 3 and Rei 4...four keys to an apocalypse?

[Reichu]

Rei 1, Rei 2, Rei 3 and Rei 4...four keys to an apocalypse?

The four Rei in the preview don't necessarily include 1 and 2. That's where I was going with my post above. We see that one of the Adams has six small dots around the big dot. If Rei 2 and her implied predecessor are not included in the four Rei from the 3.0 preview, that's six Rei.

Those six dots didn't get there randomly, right?

[UrsusArctos]

That sounds crazy enough to actually be possible...

[Kodaemon]

So according to Rei's creepy collar, she's "Rei 2".

The insane 3.0 trailer shows us four other Rei.

I wondered for quite a while why one of the Adams has six little black thingies around its big black thingy, but suddenly IT ALL MADE SENSE TO ME.

SPOILER: Show

(Note: I'm not sure how seriously I take this. It's for fun if nothing else.)

I'm just going to leave this here:

[Alastor]

This just poped in my head.
Alright Adams. There are Four. Four is considered to be a number of death in some cultures, iirc.
They are beings of white. White is the Japanese color of death.
2I? Massive deaths.
It's all about death.

So if we try to tie this into the "Children = Adams"or "Eva-01 and 06 are Adams" idea, we get... I don't know just yet, this poped into my head and I haven't put much thought into it.

[Cody MacArthur Fett]

Actually, I'm not sure about the concept of the Adams being the Pilots specifically, but have we considered the idea of them being characters from the original series? 'Cause that's what they look like to me. I'd need a screen shot of where they appear in 2.22 to nail down any specifics, but when I saw them I could swear to you that at least one of them looked almost exactly like the silhouette of Kyoko we see in EoE.

[Sik]

Duh obviusly the four Adams means the four angel cores used to make super doooper powerfull boss evas like, 01, 06, 08, and the final and lucky numbered, eva 07 from Rebuild FINAL.

How do I know this?

Easy:

It just ocurred to me :).

[UrsusArctos]

Can't say where you're going with the tone of that post, Sik. Nevertheless, the notion of the Adams' cores being salvaged for something sounds quite possible, provided that they did not explode at 2I like they were meant to in the storyboard.

[Sik]

I was just suggesting a brand-new theory? but not in a serious way. And I posted it because at least, its not completely impossible.

[Reichu]

I'm just going to leave this here

Ooo, much obliged...!

But too bad that thing didn't make the final cut. :(((

provided that they did not explode at 2I like they were meant to in the storyboard.

Nobody is shown exploding in the storyboard. They just show blood squirting out from the South Pole; source is presumably the same as whatever is polluting the oceans.

[Sailor Star Dust]

Credit goes to Monk Ed for mentioning this to me.

I apologize if this was already brought up, but has the idea of "Eva plus the pilot equals former Adams" been brought up yet?

Something interesting from 1.11 (pretty sure this was in 1xx in general):



For Eva-01, Blood Type: Blue "A". Perhaps this "A" means the Adams? Kinda cute how Blue 4 is for the Fourth Angel.

[Monk Ed]

^ Specifically, what I suggested was that I figured the pilots (except Rei) are the reincarnations of the Adams (that is, Lilin bodies with Adam souls), and the Evas that they pilot are their original bodies or in some cases (because there's obviously more than 4 Evas) clones thereof.