First to honor main subject of the thread.
The only reason we didn't see any yaoi scenes on episode 24 was because Kaoru not pushing it any further. I agree that what he presented to Shinji was unconditional love which surpasses flesh. From beginning of series to the EoE Shinji attraction to girls continiued, but Shinji's main ambition is to be loved and be safe; if he shall find it in the arms of a boy then so be it.
For Great Naked Rei Shinji was running away from facing with Ayanami, after all he saw her death, then he learned she was and is an angel-human hybrid(Goldarmy regards the notion that all Rei's souls are of Lillith as absolute crap) and that human part was of her mother, then he witnessed the death of a hundred Rei's, then later he saw the mostly digested Unit-02, then he saw Giant Rei and naturally freaked. Seeing Kaoru after this reminded me those cheap horror flicks where you wake up from nightmare into yet another dream or nightmare then see a familiar yet deceased person.
I doubt Shinji ever saw Misato as a mother. She was an cheery yet irresponsible babysitter. I also don't think the fact that Misato is a woman -and a beatiful one at that- ever escaped from Shinji's mind. Event at the hospital room suggests that his morality isn't that strong to fend off the advance of a mature woman. He retreated from Misato because he was angry, some of that anger was pointed to Misato and he thought she was actually trying to make herself feel better, and she was.
thewayneiac wrote:Mr. Tines & Soluzar: you are both missing the whole point of the Shinji/Asuka relationship. The reason she treats him so harshly is because he's wont respond to the obvious signals she's been sending him. She feels that he's rejected her. The reason he doesn't respond is because he's so socially inept he doesn't recognize them for what they are. He doesn't realize that she returns his affections.
First I want to quote Captain Kennit:
"If you penned them together long enough they will breed. That I learned from my goats and pigeons."
I read at somewhere Shinji's age was described as "...no longer a child yet not an adult either; lost somewhere in between". In my opinion this fits Asuka better than it does Shinji. Shinji had an unenviable childhood but Asuka's childhood had ended at that asylum long ago. She transformed into the Asuka we know in the series. Strong, beatiful, independent, genius with a college degree, skilled pilot of Eva. Not a doll, certainly not a doll.
All her actions was to ensure or portray her independence and superiority. Part of her flirts with Kaji was to prove herself that she was a woman. The other pilots were rivals first in her eyes. Her toying with Shinji was just trying to exert her sexuality on him, and her harsh treatment came due to his non-responsiveness to such a wonderful beauty.
Charred Knight wrote:I have termed this the Rumiko Takahashi Romance, due to the fact that she has used it in all 4 of her main manga series. Ken Akamatsu also uses it since he based his writing style off hers. The principle is that you put two people who love each other but can't express their feelings very well, they will then show their love in a variety of ways. Insulting a person to show love is not only found in EVA, but Ranma, and Love Hina as well, though Akane, and Naru are a lot nicer than Asuka.
I guess Charred didn't bother to look at my 'Naming the She-devil' thread let alone vote
. What was Takahasi-san's fourth work beside Ranma, InuYasha and Urusei Yatsura? I say Asuka can express her feelings very well and very loudly. The way she behaved in front of Kaji is the way she will behave to the man she wants. Asuka's bossy and obnoxius nature is better and more honest than Akane's selfish selflessness and self-righteousness. I have to read Love Hina manga and anime to re-evaluate the uselessness level of Naru.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:Asuka on the other hand has depended on this facade of brash confidence to hide her insecurities.
I disagree, while beneath her colorful and brash appearance lies hollowness insecurity isn't found to be there. Actually not having a single doubt gave a great strength to her shell. When she was forced to confront her hollowness and begin her journey to self-destruction, there wasn't much time for insecurity.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:Despite the mean treatment, Shinjii is consistently decent to her and cares for her. Eventually, i think she will appreciate this.
Even she could appreciate the value of a devoted slave that worships and adores her.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:She has to get over the fact that Shinjii is not the hunk Kajii was and that Shinjii is a better Evangelion pilot than her.
Sure and Gendo has to stop acting like a jerk and act like a father. And Misato has to stop drinking. And Rei has to interact with more people. And Ranma has to think before he opens his big mouth. And Genma has to use his brains. And...
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:Ultimately, only a person that can best her yet be nice to her will end up earning her respect.
No. At best he will just gain a rival that hates him, or push her into suicidal path at worst.
Ark wrote:I think the best illustration of Shinji's infatuation with Asuka is his watching her while she was on the phone to her "mother". It's not obvious at first but eventually you realise that it's not normal to just stand there listening to a conversation you can't understand.
As Mr Tines said this is more of envy, result of Shinji's longing for love and connection.
Soluzar wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Shin-seiki Mister Tines, since you fairly new here, I wonder if you're familiar with the rumor (which MDWigs seems find quite credible) that, over the course of doing NGE, Mr. Anno fell hard for Yuko Miramura, Asuka's VA, and that she essentially told him to get lost, and that supposedly we see his residual hard feelings played out in EoE (note that the Shinji/Asuka relationship scarcely even comes up in EoTV). It's hard to not read something into the fact that Shinji, who is Anno's stand-in for the psychological 'issues' in NGE, gets to strangle Asuka, not once, but twice, before it's all over.
Just thought I'd throw that out, since we're on the subject...
OK. That's me defeated. Any of the things that can be pointed to in EoE as evidence for the Asuka-Shinji relationship can be essentially attributed to this rumor, and that's just taken some of the best bits of my theory away. Sure, it might be based upon the forbidden fruit of Authorial Intent, but I'm inclined to believe it anyway.
I fail to see how you are defeated, I haven't seen any new hard evidence in this thread to make Asuka Shinji romance any solider. If the rumour about Anno is true then there won't any progress in this matter.
Mr Tines wrote:I did say a chance of a fresh start. But actually, on reflection, I think I can go back to the stronger assertion I'd made before - circumstances had changed enough for her to definitely have been on an upward path, had events permitted.
Mr Tines I think the real moment Asuka finally hit the bottom was the very end of EoE.
Reichu wrote:Yeah, every time I hear the Cardass bit regurgitated, I do the eye-rolling bit, too. I don't care if the cards are official; I'm sure there is an explanation that doesn't sound like it was pulled out of somebody's rectum at great haste. Granted, if you have one, I'd be happy to hear it.
What are these cards and when they were published?
To further taint this topic here is the link to the first and in my opinion best shoujo-ai story in EVA genre. Hope you all like it
.http://www.fanfiction.net/s/314940/1/Originally posted on: 13-Nov-2004, 08:04 GMT