Shin-seiki wrote:I think that it's pretty radical to throw out Rei's soul = Lilith on the basis of that one quote, which is out of context anyway. Here it is in context:
Rei: Why are all of these me?
Rei: Because others call us Ayanami Rei.
Rei: Why do you have a false mind and a false body?
Rei: Not false, for I am I.
Rei: No. you are a human whose false soul was made by a
man named Ikari Gendou.
You are a false object which is pretending to be a human.
Look, you have a dark, invisible, and unintelligible mind
within you, where the true you exists.
Rei: But, there's someone else who is the true you.
Rei: You don't know her.
Rei: Because you don't want to see that, you are trying to run away.
Because of fear.
Rei: Because she might not have a human shape.
Because the present me might disappear.
This seems to me confirm, not contradict, the idea that Rei's soul is Lilith...
But that doesn't prove anything definitely. It could also mean Yui instead of Lillith, wich would make better sense with the 'manufactured' soul part.
Shin_seiki wrote:This thread is getting a bit off topic with this whole Rei-Lilith thing. That Rei's soul is that of Lilith is, as far as I'm concerned, fact not theory. Aside from this:
(Rei ascends to Lilith)
Lilith (Screen text): Welcome back.
(Rei is absorbed into Lilith... Lilith's heart starts beating... Her legs reform and she descends from the cross... The mask of SEELE falls off and Lillith takes Rei's form)
which is pretty cut and dry, if you ask me, there is also:
The Anti-AT Field from Lilith... it's expanding further! It's materializing!
(The earth's surface under the Black Moon turns white spreading outwards and Lilith-Rei emerges, cupping the Black Moon in her hands)
The Anti-A.T.Field manifests itself as Rei appearing to everyone as they go sploosh.
Basically, the notion that the RCB could somehow be wrong about Lilith-Rei makes complete nonsense of the whole movie...
I still don't see any clear evidence wich supports the RCB case. Perhaps the most solid one is the "tadaima" when Rei enters Lillith, but that, as I've seen before, can also be explained by saying Rei has part of Lillith's body, so that "I'm home" could mean flesh returning to the flesh, rather than soul to the soul.
About the moulding, I think you cannot say Rei's mind is the only moulded thing, because Rei remembered crying, even though she didn't remember the episode of the tears. I think that the distinction between mind and soul isn't that clear after all.
About Yui and Gendou reunited... I don't think I ever seen that 'clearly'.
But here's the situation:
If there's no distinction between the 2 endings, then Reis soul is not Lilliths anymore.
Why can I say there is a difference between endings? WEll, there seemed to be some kind of decision change from the series to the movies. Those changes would be Kaworus more 'starring' appearances (rather than in the series, where he's not more than another Angel), and also Rei's soul, wich in the beginning grew or was manufactured, until the RCB wich says (something not clearly defined by the movie) Lilliths soul is Reis soul.Originally posted on: 02-Oct-2003, 16:14 GMT