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Is the US anime market crashing?

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Postby shinesman_cobalt » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:39 am

Well, as many of you have probably heard, Geneon has annouced that they will be shutting down their US branch, effectivly putting all of their domestic DVDs out of print and cancelling any unfinished series, such as Hellsing Ultimate and Fate/stay night. My feelings is that this is only the begining. Things are jsut gonna snowball from this point until the entire US anime market crashes and no one releases DVDs anymore.

Since the fansub community what is, I'm not afraid very of not being able to get my anime fix. However I am a little annoyed at this, as collecting anime DVDs is one of my hobbies. It also annoys me that some of the series Geneon was releasing will get cut short. I mean, it was an announcment made with no warning to those purchasing their products and Geneon showed no sign of closing before now. They even annouced some titles they had licneced jsut before this announcment, such as Zero no Tsukaima. What will happen to this and other titles they hadn't even started releasing yet is still unknown. I am also a little concirned about the future. What does this mean for the domestic anime market? Will other companies follow suit and up and shut down? Will more series be cancelled half way through production?

Anyone who buys anime dvds is welcome to discuss this.

You can read more about Geneon's announcment here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-26/geneon-usa-to-cancel-dvd-sales-distribution-by-friday
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Postby ThroneofDravaris » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:06 am

Wow, guess I had better go out and buy what I can of Hellsing Ultimate while it's still around.

This news couldn't be more depressing.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:16 am

That there was something adrift with Geneon USA was apparent when they announced a distribution deal with ADV, then backpedalled.

Looking at their prices, and comparing them with other distributors (like the insanely good prices for Media Blasters' upcoming release of Simoun), I suspect that they had paid over the odds for licenses that weren't repaying the investment and weren't getting the margins they needed to cover the financing.

I guess it would be wishful thinking to hope that MB would pick up Nanoha for their Yuri Fan line -- I suspect that it is a much more expensive property than Simoun.
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Postby shinesman_cobalt » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:25 am

Geneon was the most expensive distrubutor, since they had very few thinpaks and a lot of their stuff clocked in at over $150
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Postby BrikHaus » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:11 am

Geneon sucked. For years I've said that their terrible business practices would eventually cause their own demise. It looks like it finally happened. I can't see the same thing happening to the other companies, though. It really seems more like an isolated incident.
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Postby CitizenGeek » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:27 am

Well, I'm in Ireland and Geneon don't have a UK/Ireland wing, so the company's demise doesn't directly affect me. A lot of people on ANN are making a big fuss over this, but it's hard for me to see why. In any case, the only Geneon anime I owned was the awesome Heat Guy J and that was released by Manga Ent. over here.

I think profits for the likes of ADV and FUNimation and Manga Ent. are only going up, so I can't see the rest of 'em following in Geneon's footsteps.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:29 pm

What Brik-kun said!

I'm sure people are pissed about Hellsing Ultimate being left "up in the air" like that. I'm sure either Mangle, FUNnimation or ADV will pick up the North American distribution rights to whatever Geneon left in its wake, which is a whole lot apparently.

Here's one list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneon#Anime_licensed_by_Geneon_for_North_American_distribution

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Postby BobBQ » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:46 pm

Screw Hellsing Ultimate, what's going to happen to Black Lagoon?

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Postby CorporalChaos » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:49 pm

Or Higurashi...

Dammit, that was the next show I was going to start getting on DVD.
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Postby shinesman_cobalt » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:02 pm

CorporalChaos wrote:Or Higurashi...

Dammit, that was the next show I was going to start getting on DVD.
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THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:The bidding war for all that will be very bloody.
Yeah, I was hoping some other companies would pick up the rights to some of those dropped series. We'll just have to see if that happens.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:38 pm

shinesman_cobalt wrote:<snip> Yeah, I was hoping some other companies would pick up the rights to some of those dropped series. We'll just have to see if that happens.
There are some pretty big titles that are/were under the Geneon banner. So I would be willing to bet there will be some major cash thrown around over them.

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Postby chee » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:04 pm

The industry as a whole isn't going anywhere. It's just one company that went down.

When Carolco Pictures went out of business, it didn't mean the whole American movie industry was going to go "poof".

All the people that are freaking out and spouting "OMG TEH NORHT AMARICAN AMINOO INUDSTREE R DIEING!!" need to chill out.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:07 pm

I blame the Federal Reserve for this mess.

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Postby chee » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:11 pm

BobBQ wrote:Screw Hellsing Ultimate, what's going to happen to Black Lagoon?


I hear you. Sure, I watched it on fansubs, which makes me Evil Anti-Capitalist Infant-Soul-Devouring Devil Bastard Scum, but it's an awesome show, therefore I definitely hear you.

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Postby BrikHaus » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:00 pm

THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:The bidding war for all that will be very bloody.

I don't think all of it will be relicensed by other companies. Sure, some big name titles like: Akira, Ai Yori Aoshi, Black Lagoon, Ergo Proxy, Gankutsuou, Hellsing Ultimate, Last Exile, Mahoromatic, R.O.D., Lain, Tenchi, Trigun, and Samurai Champloo will get picked up pretty fast. Most of their other titles are niche, though, and niche titles inside an already niche market isn't necessarily a good thing. Some of those may never see the light of day again.
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Postby shinesman_cobalt » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:13 pm

BrikHaus wrote:
THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:The bidding war for all that will be very bloody.

I don't think all of it will be relicensed by other companies. Sure, some big name titles like: Akira, Ai Yori Aoshi, Black Lagoon, Ergo Proxy, Gankutsuou, Hellsing Ultimate, Last Exile, Mahoromatic, R.O.D., Lain, Tenchi, Trigun, and Samurai Champloo will get picked up pretty fast. Most of their other titles are niche, though, and niche titles inside an already niche market isn't necessarily a good thing. Some of those may never see the light of day again.
I'm jsut worried about the stuff that didnt get finished. All their older stuff is already done and one the market. One could easily find a lot of it used on the interwebs.
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Postby CorporalChaos » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:23 pm

BrikHaus wrote:
THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:The bidding war for all that will be very bloody.

I don't think all of it will be relicensed by other companies. Sure, some big name titles like: Akira, Ai Yori Aoshi, Black Lagoon, Ergo Proxy, Gankutsuou, Hellsing Ultimate, Last Exile, Mahoromatic, R.O.D., Lain, Tenchi, Trigun, and Samurai Champloo will get picked up pretty fast. Most of their other titles are niche, though, and niche titles inside an already niche market isn't necessarily a good thing. Some of those may never see the light of day again.

Not seeing Higurashi on that list makes me :(
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Postby chee » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:04 pm

That's right; Geneon had Akira!

(Weeps for Akira virgins everywhere)

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Postby Timesplitter 01 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:17 pm

What's going to happen to Hellsing Ultimate :cry:
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Postby EvaCub » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:26 pm

chee wrote:That's right; Geneon had Akira!

(Weeps for Akira virgins everywhere)


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