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Postby Oodle » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:22 am

Why wasn't "New Century" kept as the title, It makes just as much sense as "Neon Genesis"...Even though both Titles translate to basically the same meaning.

I have heard that Gainax changed it for asthetic reasons, Is it true and why?

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Postby slothen » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:50 am

genesis is a totally different word than century.

plus it sounds cooler.
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Postby CitizenGeek » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:37 am

slothen wrote:plus it sounds cooler.


I agree - Neon Genesis Evangelion sounds a billion times cooler. It also differentiates the show from other shows by not having a clichéd title.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:33 am

Oodle wrote:Why wasn't "New Century" kept as the title, It makes just as much sense as "Neon Genesis"...Even though both Titles translate to basically the same meaning.

I have heard that Gainax changed it for asthetic reasons, Is it true and why?

I just want to make sure you are asking why Gainax rendered the title in English as "Neon Genesis Evangelion" in the show and promotional materials. A common error is in thinking that the title "Neon Genesis Evangelion" came about during the English language licensing and localization process.

However if memory recalls, Gainax had contact with potential localizers very on which might have played a role in that title. I can't remember. I might be flubbing some details.
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Postby BrikHaus » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:25 pm

In the Genesis 0:0 documentary, Anno actually says they chose "Neon Genesis" because it sounded cool.
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Postby NAveryW » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:05 pm

I believe he also said in Genesis 0:0 that he had two different titles so that he could have more than one meaning.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:34 pm

Gainax made TWO titles for Eva, one in English and one in Japanese (This is kinda similar to how the Episode titles are named. For instance, the Japanese title of "Sincerely Yours" versus its English title "I Need You" ("One More Final" being what Movie Episode 26' is refereed as)), though they mean different things. Apparently they did something similar with other shows like Nadia (not that I've seen it, so I couldn't say).

Shin Seiki Evangelion= New Century Evangelion

Neon Genesis Evangelion= New Gospel Evangelion

If you just look at any Japanese merchandise, you'll see it says the ENGLISH title, showing ADV/whoever had nothing to do with it.

Even the dreaded(??) track on S2 Works of what would have been the Eyecatch music/announcers say the words "Neon Genesis Evangelion".
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:16 pm

Sailor Star Dust wrote:Neon Genesis Evangelion= New Gospel Evangelion


Neon Genesis Evangelion= New Beginning Gospel

as opposed to the Japanese version which renders as New AEon Gospel
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:40 pm

Right, right.

Thanks for the correction.
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Postby CitizenGeek » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:52 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:
Sailor Star Dust wrote:Neon Genesis Evangelion= New Gospel Evangelion


Neon Genesis Evangelion= New Beginning Gospel


I always thought Neon Genesis Evangelion was "First Book of the New Gospel" .... ? That translation seems to make a lot more sense, and "New Beginning Gospel" doesn't sound like grammatically correct English, which leads me to believe it's just a crude, direct translation (I'm not sure, though!).
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:19 pm

this is so damn confusing!!!! :x

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Postby EvaCub » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:42 pm

[quote="The Eva Monkey"]

However if memory recalls, Gainax had contact with potential localizers very on which might have played a role in that title. I can't remember. I might be flubbing some details.


That correct
thats when They also changed the "discipels/messengers" to the "angels"
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Postby CorporalChaos » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:56 pm

Apostolos, IIRC. It would translate to Apostles/Messengers, something to that extent, which makes a hell of a lot more sense than Angels.
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Postby NAveryW » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:06 pm

CitizenGeek wrote:I always thought Neon Genesis Evangelion was "First Book of the New Gospel" .... ?
You heard that from Matt Greenfield, who was wrong. That's translating "Genesis" as "first book" instead of as "beginning", and he got the syntax wrong. Really, the best translation to English would be "Gospel of the New Beginning".

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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:09 pm

CorporalChaos wrote:Apostolos, IIRC. It would translate to Apostles/Messengers, something to that extent, which makes a hell of a lot more sense than Angels.

Which makes you wonder why Anno went to the trouble of putting Angel on all the scans of them in the series...

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Postby CorporalChaos » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:12 pm

Anonymous_Evafan wrote:
CorporalChaos wrote:Apostolos, IIRC. It would translate to Apostles/Messengers, something to that extent, which makes a hell of a lot more sense than Angels.

Which makes you wonder why Anno went to the trouble of putting Angel on all the scans of them in the series...

Oh wait....
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Postby Barinax » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:22 pm

Yup. Angel was in the OP as well if I remember.

There's also Human Instrumentality Project, which when translated from the Japanese, would get Human Completion Project. And dictionary says they aren't synonym.

I bet you knew that.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:32 pm

Yeah.

Although what Anno was going for was one thing (which was a Sci-fi reference), he choose another name (yet another Sci-fi reference), which dealt with something else.

Blargh. I can't recall which was which. >_< I *think* he was that choose the name Instrumentality although what was happening really went along with that Sci-if term Completion?
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Postby EvaCub » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:42 pm

Sailor Star Dust wrote:Yeah.

Although what Anno was going for was one thing (which was a Sci-fi reference), he choose another name (yet another Sci-fi reference), which dealt with something else.

Blargh. I can't recall which was which. >_< I *think* he was that choose the name Instrumentality although what was happening really went along with that Sci-if term Completion?

I think It had something to do with childhoods end by arthur C. clarke (hes the guy who wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey)
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:43 pm

Yeah. I thought it had to do with Childhood's End as well as something else.
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