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Postby Kharis1212 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:17 pm

Sighhhh.Fuck it,at this point I just feel to much of Johny come late.Because I guess wise people(or any people)

Well.for thread.Guess Shinji likes her if for a moment I think that episode 23 and after that never happens(well Shinji becomes desperate).
Again love is kind of really far away however liking is something I expect from him.
Throught the series it's episode 12 and 11 where I see his intrust most in her.Its only one time in the whole series where I can say he is attracted to her or wants her attention.Episode 11,he asks Asuka what is she doing with escape manuals yet he probably knows most of them because we get to know he knows most of roots for nerve in episode 19.After that in episode 12 he asks about Asuka from Misato,like why is she angry with him,Like still it's a passive boy Shinji asking such question.However after those i don't see much,either Asuka is just abusing about his mother.
Episode 15.I don't think it's only bad for Asuka but Shinji to.Because if we speculate closely and take account each of there personality.I think both will push each other away.Asuka will take it as a silent rejection.And Asuka's action,her wording will give Shinji a perception that she doesn't like him and don't like him.So he is worthless in her eyes.As we get to know in later episode that his thinking is pretty much childish and can take guilt for banal comments.And I can say that's the reason he stopped showing the intrust he showed during those 2. 11 and 12 Episode.Then comes bardiel, totally taking back his growth,.For Asuka she was just fucked up by Shinji's density and was also overwhelmed by her defeats.again the montage gets nagative and grim.After episode 22 till 23 i don't think he was able to understand or help her,after episode 23 he himself needed it.Either way he has reasons in mind "I would die but not get her help","i don't want your pity", Disgusting she helped me"(dialogues were something like these) upon that Asuka wasn't home much and I think wasn't nice.And upon that Shinji's own selfishness.After episode 23.Ummmmmm just lose your hope.He at this point will latch to anyone.

Eoe.Again since it's about only Shinji.Tilk post impact
, Shinji's reasoning is moderately impaired.Whivh means his thinking is not clear.He knows what is wrong and right yet his 99% actions will be impulse.Thats explains hospital scene.He is not villain enough to just masturbate upon her in his normal state.So he knows it is wrong so he locks the door then........ . Ahem but Remember as I said 90% act becomes impulse and he is less in control(primal).Blame is upon him.Its not excused,but dear friends culpability is reduced to a nice extent.And it's hypersexuality not love.
(Note it's better not make any perception of Shinji in eoe until he is in ground state).
Let's come directly to Train scene.after short blah blah.
"Idiot! I 'know' about your jerk-off fantasies of me.

Do it again like usual... I'll even stand here and watch"
Well here if watch japanes wording implies he is using her like a side dish,implying here that Shinji has something for her but was unable to tell that.
Again its about physical attraction but I don't think that.
First of all their minds are somewhat meld.
Then it's Asuka who says those things,like the one who don't want to be a sex doll,Yet if she's his jerk fantasy why would she accept that?It will also make her doll.
If that was the case she should have clearly rejected him.
So I guess she saw that he liked her company before(liking) so that's why she also said that.Because sexual attraction is NOT a good base for relation and what she was seeking was something atleast genuine or long running.
To which Shinji says be nice to me.nothing much.
Him neglecting her needs.
However it could be she wants his intimacy,sigh who knows.However at that moment she wants him to return her affection.which he simply refuses.

Kitchen scene,act of chock,well nothing much here.Its hard to say if Shinji is right or wrong.Because either way it's post intrumentality,and I am pretty sure both are constantly looking into each other mind.So it's hard to say is Shinji really playing a sociopathic game or not.Because he is not in his absolut lowest and knows both can look into each other.but since he is desperate that's explains everything.

So what can I conclude.Remember.I guess Shinji relied on her friendship.i guess after episode 19 he didn't visited school,like why?I know manga is different canon but even there he didn't got to school after toji's death.
So he was slowly becoming desperate(And we know if he is desperate he will totally ignore others perception)
So he was lonely again.So till eoe he had put his every hope in Asuka.(From episode 19 to eoe,however kowuru came to get the position and died).(Because what i see before Shinji has intrust in her)

So what can I conclude is that he liked her(but wasn't able to tell her before shit goes on different level)but couldn't say that if I take.(Mostly due to selfish reasons just like Asuka)(During eoe,It's just Asuka was grounded and can think properly while Shinji was desperate and impulsive,he wanted someone to not help but SAVE him)

Was it hormonal?
Yes but you need to understand it's not fully hormonal.Because if you go with series,you will conclude when times were still good both tried to connect,Shinji still talked to her rudeness and Asuka she was still somewhat sociable to him,They liked each other's company.Since it's teenage so yeah something must hormonal.But remember goes beyond that.In my opinion even beyond crush.("I think feelings were true then ")(Well that's between two traumatized child).

Well the biggest problem is miscommunication,then one wanted other to relief themselves.
It's only eoe that gives them ground to make a better relation.As it completes each other's doubt.


And @Chuckman : (Sigh why I am johny late :asuka_sad: I know you will not read but to satisfy myself :thumbsup: ) .i don't think that is true.Remember he don't show any intrust in Asuka until that sunset of episode 9.He doesn't like kensuke and toji until he gets to know they care,Again remember no one was able to recognise that something was wrong with toji during episode 19,only Shinji ,which shows he had a good friendship with him.However as I said your accusation becomes right after bardiel as he slowly becomes desperate. And that was the point where I agree with you,but not before that.

And Again eoe is meant to depict him piece of shit.Even that chocking in hell kitchen, I would call a blind impulse.We got a parallel between him chocking her and Unit 1 chocking unit-4 or bardiel through imagery.Imagery also shows now he is an abuser.I will not say much more. :emogendo:

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Postby IpPo2911 » Sat Sep 06, 2025 7:00 pm

Christ, this discussion is 20 fucking years old... anyway. This is one of the things that gives me the most doubt about NGE. I'm almost certain that Asuka was attracted to Shinji in the beginning, almost like a mini-Kaji. Shinji is always nice to everyone because that's how he manages to avoid getting hurt in relationships, so I can't be completely sure if he felt as attracted to Asuka as Asuka felt to him. I think, sexually, he liked all the main girls. He's a teenager, after all, and anything of the opposite sex that's alive excites him (this first need being ignored with Kaworu, perhaps). I'm a huge Asushin shipper, but everything leads me to believe he saw Asuka the same way he saw most people, but with more intensity due to their... complicated relationship. On the other hand, I don't see him being such a jerk as to be so shocked by Asuka being massacred by the MP-Evas just because he wanted a little help. So he definitely felt bad about it in a way that goes beyond his selfish purposes. What were those other purposes? I don't know, maybe an intense friendship he developed with her, maybe a gigantic empathy (unlikely), or maybe romantic passion.
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Postby Kharis1212 » Sun Sep 07, 2025 8:20 pm

I think this post will be of  20000 words,So hold tight.
And I will be using ai where I think my English is getting weak as english is not my primary language.

And consider it kind of a reply to you @IpPo2911

So in this post I will try to prove 'Shinji feels more than just simple attraction, Attachment and dependence'. By using canonical and secondary level of canonical example which will be almost unarguable and complementary to each other.
So simply I want to give a robust argument.

However I will go as far as saying that he loves in a way that is tinged heavily with trauma.
And try to read this to end because starting will be slow.

And I will also repeat one paragraph multiple times,Because the examples and points in this post are mutually complementing.Meaning if one gets weak,the other examples can support it more.Its like if someone wants to even contradict one example of paragraph,he has to justify other examples also.
And through this,if someone wants to contradict.It will be like almost contradicting what theme and narrative.
So here I go .

So here's 3rd draft(try).
This post is for people who keep insisting “Shinji is a 14-year-old hormonal kid who only wants to sexually use Asuka,” or that “he likes every female body” or “he sees her like everyone else” — those readings aren’t entirely wrong and are valid, but they’re small part of whatever he feels for her and reductive. Framing Shinji that way strips away the show’s emotional stakes and robs The End of Evangelion of its thematic weight: the series is interested in the quality of connection, trauma, and failed expression, not just adolescent lust. Reducing the story to “just attarction+ dependence” is like judging an iceberg by its tip — it misses what the work is actually about.

The show doesn’t say “Shinji doesn’t love anyone.” It shows that Shinji feels, sometimes deeply, for the people close to him — including Asuka — but his trauma and learned cowardice stop him from turning those feelings into what the series treats as a *beautiful, courageous act of love*. A parallel case is Kaji and Misato: they wanted to be together but failed to translate desire into commitment (Misato’s ambivalence, Kaji’s avoidance), which the series uses to dramatize how fear of getting hurt blocks real connection. That dynamic — love thwarted by fear and miscommunication — is a central Evangelion theme.
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To comment more In TD;LR way,this is:-
1). Very reductive. It reduces everything to puberty + exoticism, ignoring the deeper layers of his trauma, loneliness, and the specific Asuka–Shinji dynamic.

2). Basically, this reading risks making his feelings sound shallow, like he’d react the same to any pretty girl, which Evangelion clearly shows isn’t true.

Now even before starting  the true part let's clear some doubts immediately:-
((0).There is a difference between love,strong liking and s*x**l attraction.
There's also difference between loving someone and feeling love.)

1).Even traumatised teenage can feel love or strong liking for someone.

People shouldn't put themselves in place of Shinji to think that it is impossible for him to love someone.I think he is pretty much more traumatized than proper 80%-90% people here.but still shows more strength than those 90%.

2). Asuka's say like “You don't understand me ” can't be applied in this case as if a person has already spent enough time with the other person,The brain can easily understand stand the pattern in behaviour and other moods also,Hence having more of subconscious understand than a intellectual understanding.Iether way intelectual understanding is not everything.

(Warning NSFW:this (' 3).') Point will contain s*x**l content for purely explanatory purpose,People who are uncomfortable can scroll away.
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3). Hospital scene is not a planned act,which i want to post about but can't as it will be too nsfw.
If someone has any problem,I can just give him my 18000-24000 large thesis just about ‘Use of Psychologically in The Hospital scene’ to prove that you cannot explain the character intentions of the scene just narrative and theme,In this scene,Psychology is a primary lense as the creator gave subtle but very clear clues that only those people can understand who have researched on it even as a fan.for example 'survival freeze' was shown then they gave a time skip to show that it took time for Shinji to get out of dissociation.Which is very common.

But for small review.Shinji's mental state in eoe was likely Severely depressed, Constant and severe Anxiety,Severe Dissociative state,Total loss of coping mechanism, Emotional collapse,Exhaustion,stress and clearly suicidal("the boy wanted to die").
Meaning even before the hospital scene his cognitive function is already pretty much mitigated.And he is in a survival state hence it is *almost impossible for him to see Asuka as a human with her own needs* and it's valid.

After that Shinji accidently,rips the gown.The we see a phenomenon called 'Survival freeze' which in this case makes it even worser.As Shinji already has a history of dissociation+his age+mental state makes him too much vulnerable to it.Due to freeze his prefrontal cortex completely shuts down and lymbic system takes control.Asuka was n*k*d.And Shinji has history of s*x**l fantasy for Asuka, due to survival freeze,Shinji has high visual awareness* without rationality*.Since his eyes were already on her,ganglia worked and Shinji's lymbic system matched the visual feed with his last histories of fantasies.This lead to ar**sal solely by lymbic system(survival state can increase ingrained coping mechanism) which is almost entirely plausible.Residuary memory for m*st*rb*tion(history of fantasy)kicked in with residuary memory of looking for privacy,As there's no way while private session Shinji will not look for privacy being AvPD+PPD person,therefore we see him locking the door and even that's not enough,The level of Dissociation should be too much,Because as I would say,what matters here is Past,Age,History of dissociation,Survival mode and survival freeze,hence it was already very unlikely Shinji will even lock a door.Hence the act happens with nearly no control.Then dissociative state for Shinji(After noting his age, past and mental state),It must have taken him from 1 minute to several minutes for prefrontal cortex to come back.
Meaning Shinji has partial controle or almost no controle over whole the act.
A fun fact is that a person like Shinji who is very vulnerable to dissociation due to his age,past,trauma, history of dissociation and current mental state.because past and trauma are factors responsible to open survival mode which is again lymbic driven in percentage.
So this was a very hasty explanation to already counter hospital scene as contradiction and don't worry this explanation will not contradict any symbolism.
And psychological accuracy can 80%-95% on rough.


So now starts my true post.So I will be using adv dub and pure translations.

*Undeniable canonical elements and examples which proves Shinji feels/has love/strong liking for Asuka*:-


1).The comment of radio:-So First canonical element is seen in episode 12.
Here Shinji had an increase in sync rate and gets praised.Asuka to this increase in sync rate is angry and explosive.(“Asuka:  It's not wonderful!
Asuka:  So, it was *good*! My, you actually received a word of praise...”)
(“Asuka:  I'm going home first, idiot.”)(literal translations).
Now Shinji to this comment and irrational rejection feels hurt.But not your normal hurt.Now according to ‘radio’ which Evangelion uses as a *guide* to explain what characters are Feeling or what is happening says “Dont get all sulky because you got Dumped by a girl...”((“RADIO:“from "Mr. Wah" of Tokyo-2. But you know, don't get all sulky because you got dumped by a girl.””)).Which is direct comment on What is Shinji feelings and also matches his nature.

According to radio *Shinji feels like he was in a romantic relation with Asuka And that Asuka just dumped him in a romantic relationship* which is an romantic expression.Meaning it is confirmed That Shinji has proper romantic feelings for Asuka.Now this can be liking.
(The radio line in Ep.12 isn’t neutral background noise — it’s an authorial framing device: a piece of diegetic sound the creators place in the scene to nudge interpretation, so the DJ’s “don’t get sulky, you got dumped by a girl” signals the viewer to hear Shinji’s hurt in romantic terms. By itself it’s circumstantial, but paired with Ep.17’s synchronized blush, Asuka’s Ep.22 reframing, EoE’s accusations, and Anno’s lyrics, that cue becomes strong hermeneutic evidence (it raises the probability the intimacy reading is what the work intends). *(Small caveat: check the original Japanese wording if you need exact phrasing, since localizations sometimes shift tone.)*).(Still meaning through radio Anno wants us to see the hurt as an romantic expression).




Now this one will be longer as this example is interpretation dependent.But it's creator's intent still remains same(i.e intimacy).

2).Married clashes:-Episode 17.Asuka was angry about Shinji not bringing her bento.So they were having a loud commotion in class.
Toji sighs and says “What's this? Married couple fightin' again?”.Now this due to this both Asuka and Shinji become total red with same intensity at the same time,Then look down(classic anime trop for self introspection) with fulster on face in perfect sync,Then revolt at the same with same expression.
Don't take this as an simple rom-com anime trope.In Evangelion,everything has it's own purpose.As it was used in introspection of Asuka in episode 22' with an actual definite meaning.

Here the *The purpose of the creator was to show that both Asuka and Shinji have held back wish of having 'intimacy' with each other that Toji revieled ,Hence they had such blush and recoil*.
Hence this shows Shinji wants intimacy with Asuka,Which can be called pretty much the theme of Evangelion on my subjective view.
Now because this is interpretation dependent let me add something in short or long.

So here's a chat gpt+my opinion(i have used premium version of chat gpt because I was exhausted but don't worry it's correct as I checked it).why this blush is important.And not only related to s*x**l desire but intimacy also.Again theme and narrative of the whole series combine also supports it.Also next examples will support this.

((“The Ep.17 lunch-blush reads as intimacy, not mere leering, once you treat it as one node in a converging web of evidence rather than an isolated gag.  Cinematically the beat is coded as mutual, social embarrassment—Toji’s “married couple” prompt invokes a domestic/intimacy role rather than crude sex, both Shinji and Asuka flush and look down in perfect synchrony, and they deny it together with identical body language, which in anime visual grammar signals a shared affective reaction (not two different private thoughts).  Crucially, the show itself later replays and reframes that very moment inside Asuka’s Ep.22 interior montage, an authorial move that retroactively treats the lunch-blush as psychologically meaningful rather than throwaway comedy.
That visual cue sits inside a pattern: Shinji’s repeated, Asuka-specific behaviour (apologies, protective efforts, the bedside/door moments) plus Asuka’s EoE-level accusations about his fantasies and her judgment that he “doesn’t truly love”(meaning he feels love but don't act)her all point to feeling-without-healthy-expression rather than no feeling at all. (See detailed scene/theory analyses of their interactions.)
On top of the text, we have authorial/lyrical evidence: Anno-penned/Associated songs explicitly tie Shinji’s longing to Asuka — Everything You’ve Ever Dreamed literally includes “I wanted to kiss her,” and Komm, süsser Tod (with original lyrics by Hideaki Anno) and related OST material were composed to frame Instrumentality’s intimacy/desire themes — production-level signals that the creators meant closeness/intimacy to be part of Shinji’s psychic horizon.
Taken together — synchronized blush + the Ep.22 reframing + behavioural patterning + Asuka’s EoE diagnosis + Anno’s lyrical commentary — the best explanation (abductive, not absolute proof) is that Shinji’s Ep.17 blush indexes a subconscious wish for intimacy/closer relationship with Asuka, not only a generic horny reaction; to overturn this you must coherently explain away all of these independent, converging signals at once. ”))



Again *Warning this is NSFW*.So read this on you own risk and don't worry it's nothing that inappropriate as it's purely fro analytical purpose.So just scroll it if you don't want to read it.

So here we come to second last canonical examplem.
And from from start example from The End Of Evangelion.

So come to hell train sequence between Asuka and Shinji in eoe.

Here Asuka's dialogues are “I know you use me as a side dish,Do it again like you always do,in front of me,I will watch it.
If i can't have all of you i don't want any”


Now this dialogue is significant because according to Asuka Shinji only or mostly Fantasiesed(m*st*rb*ted on her thoughts) Asuka.After so much of that s*x**l theme of Evangelion ,i know it would be understandable that this would sound rediculous.So for that purpose let's first debunk some of the s*x**l themes through proper psychology.

Episode 20’s “trinity” / “become one with me” sequence is not best read as a literal catalogue of Shinji’s private mstrb*tion targets, but as an Instrumentality / Yui-mediated projection that borrows familiar faces to stage his inner conflict. In other words, the film uses the faces of Rei, Misato and the others as avatars inside a symbolic, amplified montage — the scene manifests Shinji’s sx**l frustration and longing in metaphor, not a shot-by-shot record of whom he jerks off to. That fits how Evangelion visualizes interior life elsewhere: for example Shinji’s “Enemy — enemy — enemy must be destroyed” moment is immediately followed by a sequence of him stabbing a shamshell that functions as a stand-in for Gendo (the manga even makes that substitution explicit,where Shinji stabes Gendo and blood splutters from him); the image is a symbolic  enactment of projection by yui of his hate, not a literal shell. By the same logic, the trinity images are projections built on preexisting feelings and frustrations. At age 14 sx**l frustration is developmentally normal and should be important on a medical basis, and since Shinji increasingly desexualizes mother-figures like Misato, the idea that the show meant to depict straightforward mstrb*tion to “mother” images is less convincing than the psychological/projection reading.

When Asuka says, “I know you use me as a side dish — do it again like you always do, in front of me, I will watch it. If I can’t have all of you I don’t want any of you,” she’s alluding to the hospital incident but barely lingers on it; instead she immediately pivots to his habitual private fantasies. One possible reading is that she’s accusing him of never trying to understand her and merely using her — that’s valid, but it’s not the strongest reading. Taken together with her dare (“do it in front of me”) and the closing sting (“if I can’t have all of you…”), the clearer interpretation is that Asuka is shaming him for hiding his feelings and refusing *reciprocity*. In other words, she’s not just criticizing the incident itself; she’s demanding that he stop retreating into private escapes and instead show his affection to her. Read this way, her lines function as both accusation and plea: “Don’t lock your feelings away in secret — reveal them to me, honestly, rather than bury them.” and that's the theme of Evangelion.Your further  doubts about barely alluding hospital scene and concentrating mostly on his fantasies are explained by my previous explanation about hospital scene as it targets Shinji's fantasies.because that scene has clear and intentional psychological elements.
.(this is chat gpt modified to increase your understanding as english is not my primary language,And also treat fantasies as 'mstrbating on thoughts').

(Now this is very important whatever I have written below,make sure eto read it).


Now why all this means Shinji only or mostly fantasiesed Asuka is logical.Because think About it.Asuka is shaming Shinji,even if it is for not understanding her.

Asuka is fiercely  possessive of Shinji.Even while saying these dialogues,we see her blocking the view of Shinji for Rei and then pinning her body in front of him.This already shows how desperate she is for him.And till that moment Asuka was shaming in literally any way possible meaning she is using everything.
And one can not forget *She wants Shinji all for herself*.
Now if that's the case.Why wouldn't she  insert Shinji's fantasies about others?If Shinji had done it ,instead of Saying “I know you use me as a side dish” she would have said “pervert,I know is me and them as side dish”.
But she didn't.

So by applying this logic
.Its means Shinji hadn't been fantasiesing Misato and Rei enough that it did not crossed the red  line in perspective of Asuka which will make fierce person like Asuka to say something

And also psychologically.
“When a connection is read impossible,brain takes fanatsies as a 'safe' outlet ”.
And given the situation.That's exactly what is Asuka saying in that scene.
By indirectly meaning that Shinji has something for Asuka but is too afraid to show her.
Even by looking at songs like Everything you've ever dreamed which is author appeoved ,they never say Shinji fantasiesed any one except for Asuka's interest for Kaji“kiss you with a kiss that wasn't true ,it wasn't you at all”.
Now this kind a proves that *Asuka is his centre of romantic interest*or she and his romantic interest revolves around her.

As he has sxual frustration for two more ladies but he is only validating one.


That's more than liking on logical perspective.







4).“You don't truely love me”:-One of the clearest, most decisive pieces of evidence is Asuka’s line in the Hell Kitchen: “You don't truely love me, You don't even love your self.You are the only one who can sympethise with yourself”.  The phrasing matters.  She doesn’t say simply “You don’t love me” — if she meant total absence of feeling, the line would read that way and the narrative’s stakes would collapse.  Instead she says he does not *truly* love her, which is best read as an accusation that Shinji feels something for her but cannot turn that feeling into a genuine, meaningful act of love.  Read on its own, then, the line functions as a diagnostic: it acknowledges inner feeling while condemning Shinji’s inability to express it as a “beautiful” act.  For that reason the statement is weighty and persuasive evidence that Shinji harbors love/strong liking for Asuka.(Chat gpt enhanced vocabulary and grammar).


And if one wants to know if Shinji's lie matters.The ans is that,it is very complicated.
Now for the same of the length I will not explain much and give hasty explanation.
Despite having less severe state as compared to Asuka previously before pre intrumentality.Shinji still has worser mental state than Asuka.Shinji is very suicidal to this point("The boy wanted to die”)(it is very common for suicidal people to lash out when provoked,in this case rejection is not the only thing,her brutal shower of truth was also a major factor) depressed and anxiety as he is impulsive compared to Asuka who still has will to live and is very rational and is showing complex thoughts.

So offcourse think it yourself.*How will a person in such state make words on the spot?**He is very very desperate*.To the point I can say he is *not even thinking something.*
Hence he should use mental shortcut.
And Shinji is not lying to Asuka but *lying to himself* mostly.

So what i mean is that *Desperatiom is bridge to true feelings* here.Meaning whatever Shinji says like “I want to be with you” and “i want to help you in some way” are his *genuine feelings*.also,if you want to understand which feeling is genuine or not shown by Shinji in that scene.Just search from *how old are those feelings are*, meaning *Older is the feelings Shinji conveys there,More genuine and truthfull is the feelings* ,*But are hollow only at that times as he is saying them to get the help*.Hence those dialogues that I jst wrote are true feelings.However “you are the only one who can help me Asuka” is not genuine imo as i don't think him wanting help from her is very old like wanting to be with her which is literally from episode 12 and wanting to help her(he is concerned for herany times).

Hence those true feelings but are tainted with trauma induced selfishness at that moment.





5). lyrics:-I don't think I have to explain very much about it.  As some songs written by anno himself are kind of primary to lower secondary level of canon. Even unused song Everything you've ever dreamed is approved by author.Making it a kind of secondary level of canon.As far as i remember there was a team to super vise this song.

Now here in orignal song which I think was to be played in First B where we would have seen Shinji with mutilated arm of Asuka showing she is dead this song would have been played in the end.
“i wanted to kiss that girl” and here kiss directly means intimacy or to love Asuka poetically.

For official lyrics,“Did she throw your love away”,again showing feelings of love.

In short most the lyrics related to there relation shows that Shinji and Asuka both want intimacy.And that's what I need to tell you.

And this is also most of powerful points as this supports any other point.


6).some 'meh' level of points that people usually ignore:-Shinji even after such shitty treatment by Asuka,still wants to help her from bottom of his heart.For Example we watch him trying to comfort Asuka in th end scene of episode 22'.where He most probably knows what will come after he tried to reach her,But he still being uncomfortable,he did it.Showing his commitment for her.And even after that in episode 23',he was Shown standing out of the door of Asuka's room which means he again wants to help her but is too afraid.

And that's how it is.People literally think“oh he is not doing anything,he feels nothing for anyone”........ But by saying such things you are literally taking away what does she whole fucking show wants to say.That is *reach out* if you have feelings,don't just let them rust or get wanted before the time runs out.Communicate.

And that was when he was actually spiralling down himself.And Shinji is not a normal child.He is a child with AvPD and PPD with stunted emotional growth.
Even wanting to help in such situation is a big feet for a child like him.getting out of your comfort zone.But why he couldn't reach out that easily as he does in case of Rei is also because Asuka herself is agressive.(well she is also a factor in it)(her spiky wall of aggression).



I don't know if I should write more but this is enough imo maybe.

Either way I was gonna post this at reddit but I thought I should update the previous one to. :asuka_ohoho: :asuka_happy: :asuka_chansu-2-1:



Edit: sighh I think I just made an imaginary dialogue “You don't truely love me” with actual dialogue “You never truly loves anybody” in my head and I don't know why(sighh I was very busy for getting any canonical cue so maybe that did it).

But again it's didn't changed much since I still have secondary canonical elements which is lyrics of both Everything you've ever dreamed and maybe orignal komm Susser Tod where Shinji is just beating himself for hurting Asuka.
These are secondary level of canon and best of all it doesn't contradict anything.Yeah anything.

So yeah this already makes it pretty much more stronger than any interpretation in head.

So yeah I am still letting this there.
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Postby lepawskz » Mon Sep 15, 2025 7:51 pm

View Original PostLord Tyreal wrote:So does Shinji like Asuka? or is it vice versa

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Postby Darth Plato » Tue Dec 30, 2025 7:39 pm

Respectfully.... How is this even a question?

I mean it's a good question as being a good topic, but I find it hard to imagine any viewer would come away thinking he doesn't have a thing for her on at least some level. But then that is part of why these conversations are good--I get to learn about other peoples' points of view, and perhaps my own will seem unexpected to others.

This is a separate question as to whether he has a thing for Rei, or whether one or the other is best for him. As I understand, that last question engrossed thousands of fans for decades, or something. (I am new here)

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Postby OneShotPunch » Mon Feb 16, 2026 11:21 am

Shinji doesn't like Asuka, he only sees her as a sex object he can lust over and ignore any time she wants to get close. By EoE, he's still trying to murder her. There is nothing there, just like he doesn't really care about Rei or Misato or anyone besides how he can get closer to his father or for sexual gratification.

This is only a "debate" because people project onto Shinji their feelings without breaking down how he actually is as a person within the show itself, who's a rotten, loathsome misogynistic pervert who takes a million time loops to change.

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Postby IlegibleBraile » Mon Feb 16, 2026 11:53 pm

Way too harsh on Shinji there.

Didn't he say in response to emotions (Rei and Kaworu) in his heart telling him that part of the reasoning that matters into coming back is the hope that people will one day understand each other and to hear the words "I love you", that those ideas are just pretense, a selfish belief, like some kind of prayer, that it can't possibly last forever and that eventually that hope will abandon him after being betrayed, but that regardless of that he wants to see them again "because at the time, I know my feelings were real". And then we get that beautiful image of him in an ideal situation, surrounded by the people he cared about so much that he chooses to live. Are we talking about the same Shinji even? And Gendo isn't even in the image, suggesting that while he longed for him his care and love lied elsewhere, everything you said is in such bad faith.

And I could definitely list moments in which he clearly and obviously cares about the people around him not just as sexual objects, the volcano, cleaning Rei's room, smiling warmly when he is told Misato thinks of him as family, being distraught at the sight of Toji after 03, etc. No one is protecting any of that and I could go on but honestly there's no point because this is the most surface level stuff in Eva, you not seeing it is a choice, not a feature.

Not to imply that he doesn't, at least to some degree, objectify woman, but that's not unlike many 13 year olds and those sexual feelings don't invalidate the caring/loving ones.

And that last part is crazy, a rotten loathsome misogynistic pervert who takes a million loops to change? He changes in all four main endings, this gave me some real End Of Evangelion is (not) a Happy Ending PTSD.

And he clearly liked Asuka, look at his face when he cheers her up in episode 9 after she is down, that boy is smiling so warmly, look at how he saved her extremely carelessly in episode 10, look at how he tells her about his daddy issues in 11 and how in that same episode he worries about her being the one tanking the acid and not when Rei offers to do it and how when they succeed they smile at each other through coms, hear the radio in the background of the car scene in episode 12 after Asuka gets mad cuz of synch ratios at him and you'll get a deeper look into his thoughts in the scene, he is thinking about her, after in that episode we get to see them talking to each other several times and they truly are comfortable around each other, Shinji even jokes a few times he never does that with anyone and at the end of that episode he tells her the reason he thinks he pilots for no reason more than to tell her and Misato, and I could keep going but I think the point is made already, this part was just to stay on topic.

I'll leave you with some closing thoughts, if Shinji didn't care for Asuka beyond lust why was her death the moment where he reacted the most viscerally instead of any of the laundry list of horrible things that happened to him specifically? Why was her rejection so powerful to him that after it he is so utterly destroyed he initiates instrumentality? why would he strangle her instead of running away once more into another person who has him in their heart like Misato? Why after it he says "you betrayed my feelings"? Because I don't know about you, but these aren't things that you feel, do and say because you only lust after a person.

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Postby OneShotPunch » Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:19 am

Shinji screamed because he latched onto Asuka as his comfort toy. He doesn't care about her as a person, unless you tell me most "normal" fourteen year old boys jork it while their supposed friend is comatose. But I bet you'll just say "but he's a soldier who broke under pressure" to that.

Shinji doesn't truly care. He only wants Misato's affection because she's a "mom" who'll protect him. He can only relate to Rei because she reminds him of his birth mom, and abandons her when things get more complicated. Same with Toji. Asuka is only a sex toy to him, not someone he actually enjoys. He goes right back to strangling Asuka in the last scene, because no matter how pretty and nice Yui's words were, the actual reality is that he's a selfish monster who will only hurt others.

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Postby IlegibleBraile » Wed Feb 18, 2026 10:22 am

You ignored a lot of the other response if this is what you answer with, all of the evidence of Shinji caring about others, his words to as of why he wants to come back "Because at the time, I know my feelings were real", and that image of Shinji's "ideal scenario", the absense of Gendo (and Yui now that i see it again) in that image, non sexual acts that cost Shinji something like the volcano rescue, fixing Rei's room, grief and guilt for Toji and prior to him to the unnamed child that he knew was piloting, the joy he feels when Misato calls him family.

And not only that, you ignore that Asuka's rejection matters more than Rei's or Misato's affection in instrumentality and the fact that he speaks as if she had betrayed him and his feelings, ALL of these are moments where he demonstrates to truly care, and those are just the ones at the top of my head, I could add Shinji apologizing to Asuka who is in an induced coma for hurting unit 02, showing Rei how to smile, trying to go help Asuka when she is suffering in the Arael attack and after following her to the top of a building to try and comfort her, he backs down from this after Asuka yells at him that she hates him yes but this was something selfless he wanted to do only to be pushed into not doing it.

That's tons of evidence, if you are going to ignore those, atleast aknowledge them, don't use a weak ass dodge like saying he screamed in profound pain and distress at Asuka's death, an instrumental part on his ego reaching zero, "because he latched onto Asuka as his comfort toy" without substantiating at all, your only supporting evidence of this was the hospital scene, if that's your interpretation then run with it and add more stuff, of which there are a fair ammount, but that still wouldn't be contradictory to other feelings, people are more nuanced than that.

And you do the same with any other character, you say he cared about Misato as long as she was a mother, Rei as well, Asuka was a comfort toy, but that's just Freudian absolutism, something the show itself does not agree with and critique through it's humanistic portrayal, Shinji's relationships with other characters are nuanced, that take does nothing but flatten and missunderstand the show.

And are we really going to ignore that in the hospital scene he doesn't feel any satisfaction and he knows what he did was wrong? If he truly was a selfish monster wouldn't he not care? Because he looked guilty as fuck to me, he becomes even more self-loathing, someone points a gun at his head and he doesn't even react, he doesn't care about anything anymore. You are failing to see the scene as self destructive behaviour, aking to cutting oneself, it doesn't make him feel good nor is it good in and out of itself, it is just a distraction, and at the time it's all he thought he could do to stop hurting. Shinji's objectification of woman doesn't mean he lacks care, he is profoundly flawed yet caring, this you also ignored from my last response.

The last choking scene is too interpretative for me to just say "you are wrong", so I'll just limit myself to say that we have wildly different interpretations and that there are hundreds that make more sense because they align themselves with the themes of the show and movie, this ignores the possesed like (or distressed) facial expression, the fact that he saw Rei floating in the water before strangling her, that he could have been a few weeks alone in the red earth, etc. And this only in favour of the "Shinji is a monster" interpretation, which is weak and ignores canon, so it's a valid read, it's just a weak one imo.

And don't strawman me, I never excused Shinji's behaviour.

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Postby OneShotPunch » Wed Feb 18, 2026 12:40 pm

All those instances where Shinji did "nice things", like the volcano or cleaning Rei's room or the guilt, don't actually cost him that much at the end of the day. Shinji saves Asuka from the volcano, an objectively good thing any decent person would do. In the moments where it actually mattered, Shinji failed. Shinji is confused by Asuka's kiss (honestly understandable), after the mind rape he leaves Asuka alone, until Kaworu dies and *he* personally wants company. When the chips came down, Shinji betrays Asuka in horrible, violent, selfish ways. Shinji cleans Rei's room, because he knows how to do that. He doesn't actually get closer or get to know her, and again, abandons her when things get complicated. Shinji feels guilt, but never apologizes to Toji for maiming him in Unit 03 and abandons him, despite earlier episodes Toji personally apologizing and letting Shinji take a swing at him. He can smile warmly all he likes at the thought Misato thinks of him as family, he'll betray her by causing the Third Impact she was trying to stop. When there's actual damage, Shinji retreats rather than accept a risk, because he's already decided he's the problem, so he becomes the problem. Him hating himself accomplishes nothing when he continues to deal damage to his supposed loved ones.

Gendo also hates himself, yet no one's going to say he meaningfully cared about Naoko or Ritsuko. No one's going to defend the literally anything he did with Rei to achieve his goal. Why should Shinji be exempt from judgement? Because he's a child, even though we've seen his behaviour be exactly like his father? I don't care if his "ideal scenario" is one where he's with his (not) friends, he betrayed everyone and killed the world before that point and it's clear he will continue to try killing Asuka.

He is a monster, through his actions and not whatever internal worldview he has of himself.

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Postby IlegibleBraile » Wed Feb 18, 2026 6:07 pm

Cmon throwing yourself into a volcano recklessly just for the chance to save someone you've known for little time is NOT expected, normal behaviour or a "decent act", it is a virtuous, commendable thing and not just "nice", you are reducing that act way too much, it was heroic.
Yeah I don't know why I bundled the Rei room one with those lol, reflex from the previous comment I guess, consider that just more proof on that he ain't an uncaring monster.
What was virtuous on the 03 incident was that regardless of who was inside it he chose not to fight to not hurt them at his expense, he felt guilty after they we're "killed" even if that saved his life and even when he didn't do it himself, and when he learned they were alive he got very happy, but once he realized who "he" did this to he screamed in despair, because, once again, he cares.

It is not fair to judge Shinji's whole character by only evaluating him at his worst, you gotta take widen your lense for a truly through examination, choosing to think of him as just his failures is just straight up bias.

And what do you mean the "moments where it actually mattered", what about the day to day? That's important too.

There's no proof that after Arael attacks he "leaves her alone", we have proof of the contrary in fact, at the beginning of episode 23, like 2 minutes in, we see Shinji in the house feeling lonely, standing before Misato's room and he says that she is still "cooped up" today then he stands before Asuka's room and says "Asuka... I wonder if she won't be coming back again today?" so it's Asuka who left, she wasn't taken or moved, she decided not to come home to stay with Hikari, probably to avoid Shinji who is a painfull reminder for her, Arael attack and all "Why are you there?! You won't do anything! You won't help me! You won't even hold me!", she just cant face him right now, and that's not on him, and you need to understand that the last thing Asuka said to Shinji was that she hates him, Misato, Rei and everyone, Shinji being ultra hesitant with meeting her is warranted, and he still longs for her in this scene in the household.
And before Kaworu died he still thinks of her, at the beginning of the episode 24, 4:20 in, there's a scene that mirrors the one in the household, Shinji is at NERV, on the unit 02 platform looking at her Eva and he asks "I wonder where Asuka is? But what would be the point in seeing her? Talk to her about Ayanami or something?" Remember this is after Shinji saw that secret Ayanami lab place and started getting scared of her, he says this with an angry look on his face, why is he angry at her? for leaving? for the Kaji conversation? because he cares about her even when she claimed to hate him? we don't know, but he is here right now worried and longing for her, then he apologizes for unit 02 in the battle with Kaworu, he never abandoned her or stopped thinking about her, he didn't know where she was and when he knew he went right after her, but he was in a deplorable state of mind and... ya know.

But he did abandon Toji I agree with that, he probably felt too much shame or guilt, probably both to go see him, but he should've gone either way, it was not done out of malice to, but self preservation, a coward, we already knew this, and you are arguing care here, well he cares about Toji sufficiently to be absolutely terrified of going when in truth Toji would forgive him easily.

Yes when there's actual damage Shinji retreats, that's his defense mechanism, Misato uses sexuality and ignores her and others issues, Asuka is mean and shows off a facade that even she identifies as not truly who she is so people can never truly know her and thus hurt her. But it's unfair for us to identify the way's they cope and say that because of them and because those are toxic, defensive behaviours that they don't care. Asuka for instance says she hates Shinji but we know for an absolute fact that he and Kaji are in her heart (Arael fight), she just doesn't want to accept it, and no words can or will change that, Shinji is like that as well but in the opossite direction, he feels unworthy and he is scared of dissapointing people, so he prefers to not engage than to risk hurt, that doesn't mean he doesn't care, it means he is scared and selfish, same with Misato, she cares, obviously, as obviously as these two, but her defense mechanisms hurt them as well, when she says to Asuka that she knows what she went through and that she has to forget all that stuff, that's terrible, when she avoids Shinji and Asuka to look for "The Truth" and every time she ignores Asuka's clear pain and distress that's horribly neglectful, and yet no one would argue she doesn't care.

The way I understand it Third Impact was not something he decided, he wasn't given a go, nor was he told that he could even do something, it's something that ocurred because that's what his broken heart desired, when you break down you desire or think you want things that you later regret, you can't blame someone for something they didn't want and we're cohersed into doing without their knowledge. Shinji didn't know that would happen, the only person responsible besides the ones who began instrumentality is Lilith/Rei, because they with their own power lissened to what the heart of a broken kid thought he wanted, and mind you he changed his mind like 20 minues after, so i completely disagree with your take there and would love a counter for this because to me this is straightforward. Plus thats a sepparate debate, wether he chose to do this or not doesn't negate care either. (This is half copy pasted from a Reddit comment I posted cuz I was lazy)

Yeah Gendo didn't care about those two woman, but that's the diference between him and Shinji, he never let go of Yui, Shinji let him and his mother go because he found other people to care about, to Gendo these people, Shinji included, would have been tools, but to Shinji they are the reason he decides to go back to reality and in that accepting all the pains humans cause each other.

As I read the last part of your reply I see that all of this hangs in you believing that Shinji wanted to cause Third Impact, which is absulutely not a fair thing, and if Shinji will keep trying to kill Asuka is up to interpretation, but I think my replies alone are an exelent argument as to why that won't be the case. And if our discussion truly circles around these two things, the last choking scene (which you gave a fairly weak interpretation to) and who was at fault for TI, then we probably won't be able to change each others mind or we should discuss about that instead in another thread.

Bojack is about 10 times worse than Shinji in every conciebable way so I don't get the purpose of that speech, he is a full grown adult in a completely mundane situation, no saving the world, no Angels or Impacts or everyone you knew being mentally destroyed or maimed, not even pressure, like at all, and furthermore his acts are horrible and done without care, because he doesn't care, Shinji does things out of fear and that fear stems of apretiation of the people around him, Bojack out of not caring at all about others and wanting to actively kick people down, Shinji does care, that speech doesn't apply to him.

TL:DR: i’m not arguing Shinji is good, justified, or reliable. I’m arguing that Eva repeatedly depicts him as emotionally attached and capable of care. Your position collapses care into moral success, which the show itself rejects for every major character over and over again.

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Postby Sailor Haumea » Wed Feb 18, 2026 11:26 pm

Not really sure how much more explicit you could get than Shinji saying "I want to be with you forever" to Asuka in Instrumentality. There's really no other possible interpretation of "ずっと一緒にいたいんだ" in this context. It is almost universally a romantic statement.

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Postby OneShotPunch » Fri Feb 20, 2026 9:42 am

View Original PostSailor Haumea wrote:Not really sure how much more explicit you could get than Shinji saying "I want to be with you forever" to Asuka in Instrumentality. There's really no other possible interpretation of "ずっと一緒にいたいんだ" in this context. It is almost universally a romantic statement.


After he sexually assaulted her? That's just Shinji being a monstrous incel rather than any "real" decleration of love.

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Postby OneShotPunch » Fri Feb 20, 2026 10:00 am

View Original PostIlegibleBraile wrote:Cmon throwing yourself into a volcano recklessly just for the chance to save someone you've known for little time is NOT expected, normal behaviour or a "decent act", it is a virtuous, commendable thing and not just "nice", you are reducing that act way too much, it was heroic.


He had Unit 01 to protect him, that's not real heroism. Going to save everyone from Zeruel is comparitavely more heroic.

View Original PostIlegibleBraile wrote: What was virtuous on the 03 incident was that regardless of who was inside it he chose not to fight to not hurt them at his expense, he felt guilty after they we're "killed" even if that saved his life and even when he didn't do it himself, and when he learned they were alive he got very happy, but once he realized who "he" did this to he screamed in despair, because, once again, he cares.


He did nothing to defend himself. He would have let Unit 03 kill him, if it weren't for Gendo activating the Dummy Plug. If that didn't happen, the world would have been destroyed because Shinji is a helpless baby who wouldn't get his hands dirty.

View Original PostIlegibleBraile wrote:It is not fair to judge Shinji's whole character by only evaluating him at his worst, you gotta take widen your lense for a truly through examination, choosing to think of him as just his failures is just straight up bias.


His worst is sexual assault, yes I think I can judge this pile of turd. I don't care about his day to day or that he thinks of Asuka in the episodes you listed, he proved himself to be a dangerous perverted freak. If we take it at face value, which I don't, his ability to "care" makes him worse, not better. Misato is also an asshole who shouldn't be near children, but this thread isn't about her, this is about Shinji.

View Original PostIlegibleBraile wrote: The way I understand it Third Impact was not something he decided, he wasn't given a go, nor was he told that he could even do something, it's something that ocurred because that's what his broken heart desired, when you break down you desire or think you want things that you later regret, you can't blame someone for something they didn't want and we're cohersed into doing without their knowledge.


For all that you paid attention in those episodes, you didn't pay attention to the movie. Shinji chose Third Impact, he did that intentionally. "They can all just die." He choked Asuka intentionally, he murdered everyone intentionally, because he'd rather choose the literal orange goop than continue existing or let go of his high expectations. He only chose to turn back because it wasn't what he wanted either, but all of that was on him. He betrayed Rei as well with this monstrous decision.

View Original PostIlegibleBraile wrote: Bojack is about 10 times worse than Shinji in every conciebable way so I don't get the purpose of that speech, he is a full grown adult in a completely mundane situation, no saving the world, no Angels or Impacts or everyone you knew being mentally destroyed or maimed, not even pressure, like at all, and furthermore his acts are horrible and done without care, because he doesn't care, Shinji does things out of fear and that fear stems of apretiation of the people around him, Bojack out of not caring at all about others and wanting to actively kick people down, Shinji does care, that speech doesn't apply to him.


Ironic, since you gave an awful misinterpretation of Bojack as well. He does care, but much like the other Eva characters, his coping mechanisms were horrible and tended be destructive toward others he doesn't care as much about. His friendships with Todd and others were genuine, but Bojack's inability to deal with his problems tear those relationships to pieces... and more importantly, they're all his fault. It's part of his (debatable) character growth toward the end of the show. Shinji, as a child, killed the planet and assaulted people because his own trauma and inability to cope ends up the people he supposedly cares about. Shinji will inevitably grow up to be someone like Bojack or Gendo.
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I'm starting to wonder if maybe another guy I argued with was right and End of Evangelion actually is misogynistic. I mean, Hideaki Anno apparently choked Asuka's voice actress and got away with it for years, the movie's about a creep who assaults a girl who comes crawling back to him out of "love", maybe the Hedgehog's Dilemma is just an excuse for cause pain.

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Postby IlegibleBraile » Fri Feb 20, 2026 2:44 pm

I don't disagree completely with Sailor's interpretatiuon of that line, but to me that's just panic lenguage and desperation mixed with true longing rather than a perfect display of true feeling and want.

He had Unit 01 to protect him, that's not real heroism. Going to save everyone from Zeruel is comparitavely more heroic.


Unit 01 doesn’t remove the risk, hell unit 02 needed an extra suit for insulation, from Shinji’s perspective Asuka would die without intervention, and he acted recklessly without obligation. That exceeds baseline decency.

He did nothing to defend himself. He would have let Unit 03 kill him, if it weren't for Gendo activating the Dummy Plug. If that didn't happen, the world would have been destroyed because Shinji is a helpless baby who wouldn't get his hands dirty.


God forbid a 14 year old kid doesn't want to kill another child, nor Shinji or Evangelion are utilitarian at all, and in this assumption of yours you ignore Shinji's age, values and that he wasn't trained his whole life like Asuka to know how to handle this kind of scenarios.

His worst is sexual assault, yes I think I can judge this pile of turd. I don't care about his day to day or that he thinks of Asuka in the episodes you listed, he proved himself to be a dangerous perverted freak. If we take it at face value, which I don't, his ability to "care" makes him worse, not better. Misato is also an asshole who shouldn't be near children, but this thread isn't about her, this is about Shinji.


Well that's on you, if those are your wolrdviews then that's fine and you are entitled to them, but pretending the show shares those views when it fundamentally contradicts them in it's framing of self-loathing, shame, etc. As what's left from bad actions rather than gratification or endorsement is bad analisis.

For all that you paid attention in those episodes, you didn't pay attention to the movie. Shinji chose Third Impact, he did that intentionally. "They can all just die." He choked Asuka intentionally, he murdered everyone intentionally, because he'd rather choose the literal orange goop than continue existing or let go of his high expectations. He only chose to turn back because it wasn't what he wanted either, but all of that was on him. He betrayed Rei as well with this monstrous decision.


Let's agree to disagree here, the film clearly affirms that Rei/Lilith are the ones in power and not Shinji and that he didn't even know he could cause such a thing, but ya ain't gonna change your mind so it's worthless to argue about this.

Ironic, since you gave an awful misinterpretation of Bojack as well. He does care, but much like the other Eva characters, his coping mechanisms were horrible and tended be destructive toward others he doesn't care as much about. His friendships with Todd and others were genuine, but Bojack's inability to deal with his problems tear those relationships to pieces... and more importantly, they're all his fault. It's part of his (debatable) character growth toward the end of the show. Shinji, as a child, killed the planet and assaulted people because his own trauma and inability to cope ends up the people he supposedly cares about. Shinji will inevitably grow up to be someone like Bojack or Gendo.


Shinji will not grow like his father, look at the end of the movie, this is adressed in the previous response but unlike Gendo he cares about everyone around him, not just one or two people while he uses the rest. Bojack does precicely that, but he cares about himself more than he cares about anyone else unlike Gendo and I can buy he has a soft spot for Todd, for the kids in the production of Horsing Around and for Diane, but not people, not for people who don't behave like puppies you can kick and they'll come crawling back looking for affection like himself, it's just not alike to how Shinji does "caring". Shinji cares about Asuka particularly, same with Toji, Misato, Kensuke, Rei, everyone in the picture on EoE, even Ritsuko is there, it is an intrinsic care he has for people he knows and for humans in general, even the ones he doesn't know like the unknown 03 pilot or in episode 10 when he and Asuka are told that if they fail the UN will throw N2 mines into the volcano to kill the Angel and all the NERV personel with it, Asuka ge'ts angry and says "How horrible!" and Shinji gets angry and asks "Who would order something like that?", when told it was his father he gets even more upset.

And I admit i should have specified this in the original message about Bojack in particular, but honestly you are just ignoring Shinji consistently caring about people, all of which are contradictions to your interpretation of anything that happens in EoE and his character in general JUST so you can justify that paper thin, unsupported by the material, terrible take, and then you deflect, ignore and repeat instead of mustering a half decent rebuttal or once again, substantiating in any ammount. I won't entertain this anymore, this will be my last message, atleast in response to you, on the thread.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe another guy I argued with was right and End of Evangelion actually is misogynistic. I mean, Hideaki Anno apparently choked Asuka's voice actress and got away with it for years, the movie's about a creep who assaults a girl who comes crawling back to him out of "love", maybe the Hedgehog's Dilemma is just an excuse for cause pain.


Death of the Author, I never cared much for the Anno aspects of the franchise, even if I think they are quite interesting and moving. And the movie ain't "About a creep who assaluts a girl who comes crawling bacl to him out of love", that's reductive as sin, Asuka "crawling back to Shinji" is not what happens, she now emphatices with him because she was inside his head and heart and to some degree she understands his struggles and his pain, having the capacity to understand another person regardless of how much they wronged you is commendable and part of why Asuka is my favourite character ever, she overcame everything standing in her way, even the end of the world.

And another thing: the film does not frame the hospital scene as the sole or defining wound in Asuka’s confrontation with Shinji. What she truly hates and circles back on over and over is in him prefering to engage in these emotions when she can't respond rather than the act itself, because she wants him to accept or reject her advances, for him to "look at her". And she knows he does it on the "regular" and it's still NOT what she reproaches him for mainly, after saying she knows he masturbates to her and showing us the hospital scene with a green filter on screen, suggesting she already knows, she has this to say in response to him saying that he truly did 'try to understand her', "Go ahead and do it like you always do. I'll even stand here and watch you. If I can't have you all to myself, then I don't want anything from you.", she just uses the situation to get straight with Shinji and tell him some very real truths about himself and her so he reacts at all, that scene she uses for a broader acusation, and he still choses a non answer because he is scared of confrontation in "Then be nice to me", proving her point.

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Postby OneShotPunch » Sun Feb 22, 2026 6:35 pm

And he'll continue to prove it over and over again, because the only thing Shinji will ever offer anyone is destruction. Never trust him, never have faith, don't love him. The best thing he can honestly do is kill himself. if he had, humanity would have been spared EoE and the thousand time loops instead of being dragged into his nightmare.


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