I finally understand Shin Evangelion 3+1 ending and why Asuka is (NOT) on the train platform

[Joseki]

Interesting theory.

Do you want "your Asuka" to be last immortalized as a fetishized monstrosity with no agency...

SPOILER: Show

...or as an insignificant blob?

SPOILER: Show

Truly a complex conundrum.

[Mr. Tines]

Simple answer - "Shikinami" ≠ "my Asuka" - indeed a major reason why I checked out of the rebuilds after 1.01 was exactly that.

[C.T.1290]

Simple answer - "Shikinami" ≠ "my Asuka" - indeed a major reason why I checked out of the rebuilds after 1.01 was exactly that.

To be honest, I don’t really consider Shikinami to be Asuka, since she’s not the original one. Soryu is only genuine article there would ever be.

[Weird_ocean]

Interesting theory.

Do you want "your Asuka" to be last immortalized as a fetishized monstrosity with no agency...

...or as an insignificant blob?

Truly a complex conundrum.

Well, yeah. There's not much to any of the characters in the Rebuilds, not only Asuka. All of them are lacking depth and the variety of human emotions, that made original characters so believable and iconic. I had to work with whatever 3+1 gave me, which is not much. At least my version of the ending is better than the explanation like "Yeah, they're totally in a new word, man. And they don't remember each other." That version fucking sucks even bigger balls.

To be honest, I don’t really consider Shikinami to be Asuka, since she’s not the original one. Soryu is only genuine article there would ever be.

I actually have a headcanon where the looping in the Rebuilds does not rewind the same world of NGE, but just creates another parallel universe, and whatever happened in NGE or EOE just keeps going like nothing happened. And there is no in-lore contradiction to this theory. So yeah, Shikinami is not Asuka from NGE for sure. NGE Asuka all the way.

[Kharis1212]

I don't think you are right when you say "My Asuka =\= Shikinami".
That's utterly wrong imo.I think of it as an reincarnation(though anno messed up her past,like what was going in his head)(loop theory and I think since it is indeed added we can't really deny it storywise,and it really has to do something with reincarnation or it will not make sense,ahem if I read things which were not added,Though you can interpret in your way but reincarnation may fit better to the context).
So what I want to say is Core Asuka(soul) is same(ahem edit very similar) it's just like memory,past and experience are changed.Eg Shikinami may think she is replaceable like Rei etc etc,And the biggest thing is Shikinami has a different past and don't have any mommy or daddy issue which seriously reduce her trauma if we compare both pasts and behaviour.Like come in orignal series past looks like a nightmare,this time her past is still painfull but not like before.
However ahem sometime I can agree with you people,but there's not that much difference(sigh I said they are still core Asuka).
So in general sense I can agree with you but deeply i can't really.
Though this is my opinion so don't bother much

Fuck it another edit:-
Looks like I might be wrong hahahahah.
"Shikinami is not the same person as Soryu. She's another girl with the same face." Hahahahaha
That's statement of the crew which makes it secondary canon.hahahahaha.
Yuko Miyamura, the voice actress for both versions, confirmed:

"Shikinami is not Soryu. She is empty, almost emotionless inside, and doesn't express herself like Soryu at all. I voiced her like a new person."
(These quotes are by chat gpt,I asked it for imp comments from imp people about this,by the way don't rely on. Gpt damn mf really made do a question tagged post on reddit.).

[Weird_ocean]

I think of it as an reincarnation(though anno messed up her past,like what was going in his head)(loop theory and I think since it is indeed added we can't really deny it storywise,and it really has to do something with reincarnation or it will not make sense,ahem if I read things which were not added,Though you can interpret in your way but reincarnation may fit better to the context).
So what I want to say is Core Asuka(soul) is same(ahem edit very similar) it's just like memory,past and experience are changed

That's easy to disprove. Because, if Shikinami has a "core soul" of the Soryu, then who the hell are all these people?



And who the hell is Asuka's Original then?



If Asuka has a core Soul, that by definition implies that there should be only one. But there are hundreds of Asuka. And there is Asuka's original, who was an actual human. So if anyone should have a core soul of Asuka, it should be Asuka's Original, the researcher at NERV, her DNA donor. And we know so little about her, that speculating about it is meaningless.

So, to me it's obvious they are in different universes. The lore is too different for it to be a loop in a same world.

[C.T.1290]

I think of it as an reincarnation(though anno messed up her past,like what was going in his head)(loop theory and I think since it is indeed added we can't really deny it storywise,and it really has to do something with reincarnation or it will not make sense,ahem if I read things which were not added,Though you can interpret in your way but reincarnation may fit better to the context).
So what I want to say is Core Asuka(soul) is same(ahem edit very similar) it's just like memory,past and experience are changed

That's easy to disprove. Because, if Shikinami has a "core soul" of the Soryu, then who the hell are all these people?



And who the hell is Asuka's Original then?



If Asuka has a core Soul, that by definition implies that there should be only one. But there are hundreds of Asuka. And there is Asuka's original, who was an actual human. So if anyone should have a core soul of Asuka, it should be Asuka's Original, the researcher at NERV, her DNA donor. And we know so little about her, that speculating about it is meaningless.

So, to me it's obvious they are in different universes. The lore is too different for it to be a loop in a same world.

I wonder what role that the original Asuka had in all this. Like is she with SEELE or something? So much mystery about that character.

[Weird_ocean]

I wonder what role that the original Asuka had in all this. Like is she with SEELE or something? So much mystery about that character.

I think I collected all evidence we have, and built a pretty strong case of what she was.