How big of a role does Mark.07 play?

[AdamMalkovitch]

Please don't spoil TOO much, but after seeing how fucking SICK MARK.07 LOOKS HOLY SHIT... it would be a big disappointment if it only appeared for a few shots. So, does Skeletor act as a big part in the movie, or does it only show up a little bit during the explanation of what exactly happened between 2.0 and 3.0? Or is it entirely unused in the same way This is the Dream Beyond Belief is wasted by being left out?

[ElMariachi]

It's pretty hard to not spoil you "too much" if we don't know how much of the last movie you know, can you elaborate on it?

[Nuclear Lunchbox]

"This is the Dream, Beyond Belief" is certainly not wasted, it appears during one of the biggest climaxes of the entire film! And regarding the Mark.07 Evas, I certainly don't think they're wasted. They get their screentime, they get some cool moments, and then the movie is done with them. They're not major players, but I don't think the movie shafts them either.

[Jinroh]

Are they at least used the same way as depicted in the concept material?

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They seem to be some kind of suicide attack tools used to turn things to core.

[ElMariachi]

Are they at least used the same way as depicted in the concept material?

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They seem to be some kind of suicide attack tools used to turn things to core.

Nope. Few of Yamashita's ideas ended in the final movie.

Please don't spoil TOO much, but after seeing how fucking SICK MARK.07 LOOKS HOLY SHIT... it would be a big disappointment if it only appeared for a few shots. So, does Skeletor act as a big part in the movie, or does it only show up a little bit during the explanation of what exactly happened between 2.0 and 3.0? Or is it entirely unused in the same way This is the Dream Beyond Belief is wasted by being left out?

To add to Nuke-kun's answer, they don't appear in a flashback.

Shin Eva spoiler about flashbacks, look at your own risks  SPOILER: Show

In fact there are no explanations about what happened between Jo and Ha, we only get a very brief flashback of a few seconds about a specific event during Third Impact.

[AdamMalkovitch]

To add to Nuke-kun's answer, they don't appear in a flashback.

Shin Eva spoiler about flashbacks, look at your own risks  SPOILER: Show

In fact there are no explanations about what happened between Jo and Ha, we only get a very brief flashback of a few seconds about a specific event during Third Impact.

Aw fuck. Guess I'll have to go back and make sure my theory/put-together-very-loosely interpretation of what probably happened between the movies, fits in with what's new in 3.0+1.0. I'm glad it's all new stuff though.

"This is the Dream, Beyond Belief" is certainly not wasted, it appears during one of the biggest climaxes of the entire film! And regarding the Mark.07 Evas, I certainly don't think they're wasted. They get their screentime, they get some cool moments, and then the movie is done with them. They're not major players, but I don't think the movie shafts them either.

Oh that's fucking awesome, I read in the comments on the yt video of the track that it went unused but I guess the guy just didn't remember it.
And now, we wait 7 more years for a Mark.07 RG model kit.

[ElMariachi]

Aw fuck. Guess I'll have to go back and make sure my theory/put-together-very-loosely interpretation of what probably happened between the movies, fits in with what's new in 3.0+1.0. I'm glad it's all new stuff though.

Although in a recent stage greeting, Anno revealed that initially Q was supposed to depict the events just after Ha, and that the Next Time preview was based on this initial idea. That idea wasn't kept because Anno didn't liked the idea of a movie without the main character in it (Shinji would had been completely absent from this proto-Q), so he skipped the story to Shinji's awakening 14 years later.
Anno also give us the (very) broad strokes of the events of this movie (in spoiler because it spoils a couple of points from Shin):

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After 2.0, Gendo and Fuyutsuki lose their position of Commander and Vice-Commander of NERV and disappear somewhere unknown, and Kaworu and Kaji take their place. Kaji is trying to covertly protect his life-restoration project as well as Misato and his small group of people wanting to counter SEELE (this group will be the foundation of WILLE), while Kaworu acts toward whatever plan he has for Shinji's happiness. Both eventually figure out that they aren't loyal to SEELE and thus work together. Eventually Gendo comes back and regain his position, and the actual Third Impact happens, alongside the birth of WILLE.

All of this being things that we can already infer from 3.0 and the last movie.

Anno also said that he doesn't intend to explore or reveal more of what happened during the timeskip.

[Konja7]

Anno also give us the (very) broad strokes of the events of this movie (in spoiler because it spoils a couple of points from Shin):

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After 2.0, Gendo and Fuyutsuki lose their position of Commander and Vice-Commander of NERV and disappear somewhere unknown, and Kaworu and Kaji take their place. Kaji is trying to covertly protect his life-restoration project as well as Misato and his small group of people wanting to counter SEELE (this group will be the foundation of WILLE), while Kaworu acts toward whatever plan he has for Shinji's happiness. Both eventually figure out that they aren't loyal to SEELE and thus work together. Eventually Gendo comes back and regain his position, and the actual Third Impact happens, alongside the birth of WILLE.

All of this being things that we can already infer from 3.0 and the last movie.

As you said, we can already infer these events from Q and Shin. However, I'm not sure Anno give us these broad strokes in the event.

Anno mentioned that Kaworu and Kaji take the role of Commander and Vice-Commander in that proto-Q movie, but I'am not sure he said other details.


There were twitters (translated by Nuclear Lunchbox), but I though it was theories/inferences from the twitter user:

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https://mobile.twitter.com/fcbliebe1900/status/1414180943049330693

Near-Third Impact in Ha → Gendo ousted → Kaworu and Kaji assume command in Gendo's absence, aid in the preservation of NERV and in protecting Misato and co. → Gendo somehow reassumes command at NERV → Gendo uses SEELE, another battle occurs, starts Third Impact → Kaji dies to stop Third Impact → WILLE is born → Q begins

https://mobile.twitter.com/fcbliebe1900 ... 7484254210

Regarding Kaworu, Kaji, and the reason they assumed command and assistance duties at Nerv, Kaworu did it for Shinji, while Kaji did it to take care of his seed research and to help Misato plus the WILLE faction. Both of them had their own interests to take care of, as well as the people they loved and wanted to see happy, and worked together to that end.

[Registration2]

Literally Zaku.

but the 3DCG is so rapid and useless that you don't have time to appreciate the designs and the use of them is in a virtual camera in the sky, so you have a bad grasp of the design itself, it doesn't do anything much remarkable beyond blow up in a quite boring fight scene.

now remember the yamashita concept designs and what they could've had been, creepy evangelions walking on earth corifying everything with their blood.
what a waste it was.

[ElMariachi]

now remember the yamashita concept designs and what they could've had been, creepy evangelions walking on earth corifying everything with their blood.
what a waste it was.

When the thread about a Khara in 2016 was re-upped, I remembered that one of the concept arts had the Wunder in a drydock, a 2km long drydock, which obviously doesn't exist in the real world, which might hint that there's a "WILLE motherbase" somewhere with much more tech and infrastructure than what we saw (or maybe even the "Lilin City" that might had been hinted at in the 2015 calendar), in that case those "suicide bombers" might had been used in a scenario where neo-NERV goes on the offensive against WILLE instead of baiting them to attack.

[Axx°N N.]

Literally Zaku.

but the 3DCG is so rapid and useless that you don't have time to appreciate the designs and the use of them is in a virtual camera in the sky, so you have a bad grasp of the design itself, it doesn't do anything much remarkable beyond blow up in a quite boring fight scene.

now remember the yamashita concept designs and what they could've had been, creepy evangelions walking on earth corifying everything with their blood.
what a waste it was.

Co-sign. I was less than enthused with the uninspired designs in the pamphlet, but it's even worse in action. Comparing it to EoE's MPE's is night and day.

[Jinroh]

I don't really understand the point of these evas in the end. The mass produced evas were supposed to be green mark.06, we can see their parts and weapons being produced in 3.33. Why this weird design and why so many of them for something like a 3 minutes appearance? The logistics behind producing them is nonsensical as well.

I would have preferred more scenes with marks 9-12 instead. They were more than enough, and in the end turned to easily disposable fodder as well.

[SEELE-01]

I don't really understand the point of these evas in the end. The mass produced evas were supposed to be green mark.06, we can see their parts and weapons being produced in 3.33. Why this weird design and why so many of them for something like a 3 minutes appearance? The logistics behind producing them is nonsensical as well.

I would have preferred more scenes with marks 9-12 instead. They were more than enough, and in the end turned to easily disposable fodder as well.

This was my biggest gripe with Marks 6, 7, 10, 11 and 12

Mark 6 is hyped since 1.0, and in the end it really lived up to the Mark 6-seconds of screentime joke. It has a major role in the story and very little of it is explored.
Mark 7 looks otherwordly and unsettling (i.e. awesome), but it has so litle time to show it that it feels wasted. Even the Mark 4's gave more battle than all the 7's combined.
And Marks 10-11-12! Nothing! They were last-minute additions and had less than a minute of screentime. Their designs were meh (borderline lazy) and their contribution was basically feed for Eva 8.

Almost half of all Evas were fillers. Imagine that instead of so many variations of Mark 4 we got an independent battle with each of the Marks.

[kuribo-04]

Are they at least used the same way as depicted in the concept material?

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They seem to be some kind of suicide attack tools used to turn things to core.

Does someone have this concept art?

[nerv bae]

Does someone have this concept art?

Is it this?

https://evangelion.fandom.com/wiki/Evangelion_Mark.07?file=Evangelion_Mark.07_%2528NERV%2529_Concept_Art_Ikuto_Yamashita.jpg

[kuribo-04]

Does someone have this concept art?

Is it this?

https://evangelion.fandom.com/wiki/Evangelion_Mark.07?file=Evangelion_Mark.07_%2528NERV%2529_Concept_Art_Ikuto_Yamashita.jpg

It must be that.
Thank you! :)

[nerv bae]

I don't really understand the point of these evas in the end. ... Why this weird design and why so many of them for something like a 3 minutes appearance? The logistics behind producing them is nonsensical as well.

Mark 7 looks otherwordly and unsettling (i.e. awesome), but it has so litle time to show it that it feels wasted. Even the Mark 4's gave more battle than all the 7's combined.

Working backwards from what Gendo wants with Asuka, (as an aside, I agree with Nuclear Lunchbox's statement uptopic that "This is the Dream, Beyond Belief" is not wasted) maybe we can infer that the Mark 7s are not armed because Gendo wants to capture Asuka, not kill her. This dictates the Mark 7's mass-produced design as grabby brawlers rather than shooters.

[kuribo-04]

I don't really understand the point of these evas in the end.

It's just a cool action scene, and it's in the style of 3.0 and Shin to drive things to their most extreme conclusion. In this case, the idea of mass produced Evas. It's just part of this hellish, abstract world that such things could be created im such manner.

The logistics behind producing them is nonsensical as well.

I think this is 100% intentional. It's in line with a film that starts destroying the 4th wall some minutes later.

[nerv bae]

Are the logistics nonsensical, or just unseen?

[Blockio]

I'd say that depends on where you draw the line for "nonsensical". The Mk.07s seems to be synthesized from raw core mass in a similar fashion to the Mk.04s, perhaps infused with the lingering souls of random people who died during 3I; both of these are available in abundance, and since we have already seen the massive tech facilities of Nerv back in Q, I'd say it falls under unseen, but if you don't buy into the synthezized from core mass theory, it would be very easy to simply dismiss it as nonsensical.