Is rebuild a retcon?

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Is rebuild a retcon?

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Postby Auriel » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:55 pm

Is rebuild a retcon of the original, and if it is: OH MY GODZ NOEEESS. I read somewhere that it would have a completely different plot or something. could someone clear this up for me?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:02 pm

It's not clear from the material so far released and translated quite how much will be new and changed as opposed to new and extra.
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Postby MaggotMaster » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:14 pm

If it blatantly contradicts the original series then it's not canon with it, just like the Manga is not canon with the Anime.
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Postby The Eva Monkey » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:53 pm

It's kind of vague at this point. One thing for certain is that it won't be canon, and it's not a direct remake. It is suposed to be an entirely new production. If it weren't for all of the artwork depicting the old characters, I would be inclined t say that we aren't even certain the original cast will be in the movies.
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Postby Rahaquiel-2D1S » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:19 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote: One thing for certain is that it won't be canon,


I refuse to see ReBuild as non-canon, as it is, after all, being directed by Anno. There's things that even didn't happen in the orginal due to the budget that will happen now.

But if Anno makes a happy ending for movie 4, it could cause uber suckage. It wouldn't be the NGE I know.
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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:55 pm

Rahaquiel-2D1S wrote:
The Eva Monkey wrote: One thing for certain is that it won't be canon,


I refuse to see ReBuild as non-canon, as it is, after all, being directed by Anno. There's things that even didn't happen in the orginal due to the budget that will happen now.


Huh, it will be a canon of its own if it goes against the series, just like the Manga is its own canon, both can exist as separate entities from the series' main continuity.
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Postby Millions Livio » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:36 pm

Rahaquiel-2D1S wrote:I refuse to see ReBuild as non-canon, as it is, after all, being directed by Anno. There's things that even didn't happen in the orginal due to the budget that will happen now.
If this were Anno's Evangelion of '95 with no budget or technological problems, I would agree. However he's had over 10 years to think about it, and to see where he to take EVA, so it's going to be three of his visions put together, the original series, the original series without the restictions (budget), and the series being altered after having over 10 years to think about it.

In other words, it cannot be cannon unless it's no more then the original series only being altered with the scenes he originally wanted in '95 that couldn't be added, and the series time being shorted to four movies. Isn't going to happen, thus not cannon..

Rahaquiel-2D1S wrote:But if Anno makes a happy ending for movie 4, it could cause uber suckage. It wouldn't be the NGE I know.

If it's not a brutal and depressing ending, I'm not sure if I'm going to like it. But I'll try to like it for what it is, if it turns out to be some stupid optimistic bullshit, well I've always got End of Evangelion..

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Postby NAveryW » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:23 pm

Millions Livio wrote:stupid optimistic bullshit

You mean like EoTV?
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Postby BLACKANGEL32076 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:24 pm

Rahaquiel-2D1S wrote:
The Eva Monkey wrote: One thing for certain is that it won't be canon,


I refuse to see ReBuild as non-canon, as it is, after all, being directed by Anno.


Keep in mind, Anno is the same man that watched an EVA maration and stated, "boy, this is very interesting."

I would think he WOULD find it interesting seeing as how HE MADE EVA!!! Unless this is BS, if even Anno is saying stuff like this, anything goes. :roll:
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:26 am

retcon? Recontinuation?? (guessing at what it could mean, never heard that term before.)
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Postby Ornette » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:16 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:retcon? Recontinuation?? (guessing at what it could mean, never heard that term before.)

RETroactive CONtinuity

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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:retcon?


The literary phenomenon akin to "We've always been at war with Eastasia."

All too common in superhero comics after 40-plus years of repeated accretions and simplifications.

To a lesser extent, what was done to the Asuka/Shinji relationship between On Air and Video releases.
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Postby AchtungAffen » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:50 am

Mr. Tines wrote:[To a lesser extent, what was done to the Asuka/Shinji relationship between On Air and Video releases.


What? What do you mean?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:57 am

AchtungAffen wrote:
Mr. Tines wrote:[To a lesser extent, what was done to the Asuka/Shinji relationship between On Air and Video releases.


What? What do you mean?


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Postby Reichu » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:33 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:Phew! I can't believe I did that just to kill time. => You won't even hold me.

As if there is never, EVER a discrepancy between what people say and people think.

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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:46 pm

Reichu wrote:As if there is never, EVER a discrepancy between what people say and people think.


True; but none the less, it was added in a do-over to change the interpretation of that scene. That seems a pretty clear-cut example of the phenomenon.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:13 pm

I would say that, in this particular case, they are simply providing additional information rather than actually changing anything. It sheds light on Asuka's motivations, whereas the audience was given somewhat less limited reign beforehand.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:06 pm

Reichu wrote:I would say that, in this particular case, they are simply providing additional information rather than actually changing anything. It sheds light on Asuka's motivations, whereas the audience was given somewhat less limited reign beforehand.

QFT.


And I still dunno what Retcon means. :(

RETroactive CONtinuity meaning something's continued from where it's left off or in the least, it's within the same time-line/canon??
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:12 pm

It means going back and changing something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:37 pm

But I thought this wasn't a remake, so how could anything go back and be changed??

I get the feeling that even though it supposedly won't be a continiution, it happens within the same time-line (is canon) with the series and EoE. *shrugs*
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