Misato was no longer a leading female in Rebuild.

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Postby Slowpokeking » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:30 pm

Overall I think the Rebuild new series toned down Misato a lot.

In the old series she was one of the 3 main female leads, had a lot of plot, both her own story, development and interaction with Shinji. She also had a strong influence on him.

The Rebuild series obviously toned down her into a typical supporting "mentor and leader" role. If we judge her by that standards she was handled well, but nowhere close to her old character.

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Postby JohnBooty » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:00 pm

At least we got to know many other characters better!

...wait, we didn't.

Well, at least of course it was a necessary sacrifice because movies have a shorter running time.

...wait, the running time of the Rebuild movies rivals that of the original TV run.

I'm being glib and bitter here. To be fair, I suppose it could be argued we got to know Rei slightly better in the movies. Kaworu definitely has much more screen time in the movies... but do we really learn anything more about him?

At every possible turn it feels like we traded character development for empty spectacle.

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Postby Kendrix » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:07 pm

Movies work differently than TV shows; They more or less had to tighten it all up.

It would do no good to just blindly imitate the TV series without giving it its own structure & through-line (See the horrid avatar live action movie for a good example) and in this case they chose to focus more on the younger batch characters. Shinji was the MC to begin with.
They could have done it the other way around (focussing more on the NERV staff) and that could've been a good set of movies as well but as to which is more EVA-like... it wouldn't have the same context or feel to focus on Shinji's decisions if he's the MC vs. if he's basically Misato's adopted kid and we're looking at this through a parenting lens.

Also I doubt your concern is really feminism if you refer to her as a"female" like that...

We don't get to see as much of Misato's private life, but what she does in the plot is pretty much unchanged - she investigates NERV & SEELE, she sort of gets back with her Ex, she makes all the bold daring plans for Nerv & later Wille & acts like a leader when no one else will...
Asuka & Ritsuko got way more cuts - maybe with them you could say that they've been demoted to side character but with Misato most of the plot beats are intact.

Probably in the Rebuilds the one who occupies the space of the female lead is probably Rei who ended up in that spot mostly out of structure/time considerations - we're focussing on the younger bunch, and Rei is there from the prologue arc while Asuka comes in later. There are a few new elements but mostly it's the old ones presented in a tighter structure again bc movies =/= TV shows.
And then she's barely in Q, though her importance is felt.
Alas poor Kaworu, I knew him well...

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Postby BusterMachine4 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:40 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Also I doubt your concern is really feminism if you refer to her as a"female" like that...

Come on, ad hominem attacks aren't cool. I thought his use of the word "female" was completely correct, referring to both women and girls at the same time.

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Postby Kendrix » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:44 pm

Well, less experienced English speakers might not get connotations or recent slang developments.

I get that you might be disappointed if that's one aspect you liked in the original.

But in general ppl really seem to underplay the role of structure in the decision making process when it comes to making derivative works... or works at all.

See all the discourse about the Asuka cooking thing & reading all possible things into it...
When the actual reason was "we wanted some high school like stuff before the Big Drama hits"... much more concerned with the structure & overall impression/vibe/flavor than popularity contests or brownie points.
Alas poor Kaworu, I knew him well...

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Postby Blockio » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:49 pm

Let's all calm down a bit, shall we?
Why don't you save the Princess next time instead of being such a baby? She would love it and maybe you could get a sweet kiss. ~ Joseki
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Postby Joseki » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:54 pm

If this is the mood in the spoiler section I'm happy to be missing it.

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Postby Blockio » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:38 pm

Nah, it's pretty chill for the most part
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Postby Joseki » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:53 pm

Nice, I hope everyone is having their fun ^_^

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Postby Slowpokeking » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:11 pm

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View Original PostKendrix wrote:Movies work differently than TV shows; They more or less had to tighten it all up.

It would do no good to just blindly imitate the TV series without giving it its own structure & through-line (See the horrid avatar live action movie for a good example) and in this case they chose to focus more on the younger batch characters. Shinji was the MC to begin with.
They could have done it the other way around (focussing more on the NERV staff) and that could've been a good set of movies as well but as to which is more EVA-like... it wouldn't have the same context or feel to focus on Shinji's decisions if he's the MC vs. if he's basically Misato's adopted kid and we're looking at this through a parenting lens.

Also I doubt your concern is really feminism if you refer to her as a"female" like that...

We don't get to see as much of Misato's private life, but what she does in the plot is pretty much unchanged - she investigates NERV & SEELE, she sort of gets back with her Ex, she makes all the bold daring plans for Nerv & later Wille & acts like a leader when no one else will...
Asuka & Ritsuko got way more cuts - maybe with them you could say that they've been demoted to side character but with Misato most of the plot beats are intact.

Probably in the Rebuilds the one who occupies the space of the female lead is probably Rei who ended up in that spot mostly out of structure/time considerations - we're focussing on the younger bunch, and Rei is there from the prologue arc while Asuka comes in later. There are a few new elements but mostly it's the old ones presented in a tighter structure again bc movies =/= TV shows.
And then she's barely in Q, though her importance is felt.



She is probably my favorite and most perfect anime character. So I prefer the old series much more on her character. She is both mature and had a lot of personal problem which she needs to get over with, which made her so unique and likable. Because as a guy in similar age with Shinji when I firstly watched the TV series. I felt all the care I could imagine from a woman. At the same time I also view her as a great human being for still have a good heart and care about others after suffered such incident. Then as I grew up I could see her personality has so much similarities with Shinji and had development through the interaction. Her character is probably the most complete one after Shinji.

The new movies, each of them toned her down more and more to a pure supporting role and pretty much cut off her deep relation with Shinji. Her overall action in Q was a big meh to me. I don't think the franchise should let us to imagine what happened, but has to show us.

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Postby Zusuchan » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:03 pm

Well, Shin hasn't come out yet, after all, you might review your opinion after watching it.

Also, instead of quoting entire posts, could you instead just quote the parts of the post most relevant to what you're going to say yourself? That way, the threads/conversations will look a bit cleaner. Thank you.

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Postby OKOptimistic » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:22 pm

I hope Shinji and Misato are good buddies again... and i do expect it will and if not this will be is the worst movie ever made.

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Postby Slowpokeking » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:15 pm

View Original PostZusuchan wrote:Well, Shin hasn't come out yet, after all, you might review your opinion after watching it.

Also, instead of quoting entire posts, could you instead just quote the parts of the post most relevant to what you're going to say yourself? That way, the threads/conversations will look a bit cleaner. Thank you.


Sure.

I heard the spoilers, which is part of the reason I post it. Sure maybe watching the movie would be better.


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