I don't think he would have to be forgiven at all though.
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but maybe it could be conveyed in a way that isn't completely disgusting and sickening?
So we got a few questions to answer about ourselves right there: why is his sexual assault seen as worthy of removal, while his attempt to kill her is not?
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Derantor wrote:So we got a few questions to answer about ourselves right there: why is his sexual assault seen as worthy of removal, while his attempt to kill her is not?
Zusuchan wrote:I think "that was gross, but I can understand why he did it considering his background and all the past events" is a better way to put it. And I think Shinji has to be willing to accept what he did was wrong. Furthermore, saying that masturbating directly over someone's body isn't that bad, because there are worse things to do to human beings is almost like saying rape isn't that bad, because the victim could have been tortured as well-there are always worse things to do to others and that means trying to lessen bad acts by arguing there are worse ones is kind of inherently a broken point.
Any perception that it is an actual violation of Asuka (beyond being a bit of an insult, perhaps), comes in Asuka's mind from the background of her upbringing (hence also from the writer's view of her) - and also from the viewpoint of the commentators.
This is the real question. I know people have come up with their own explanations as to why it was included, but I still don't really see why it was necessary for Anno to include the scene in the first place. I know that it's supposed to convey Shinji's broken mental state, but maybe it could be conveyed in a way that isn't completely disgusting and sickening? As it is, I wouldn't really mourn the scene's loss if it was cut. It just creates too much of a gross-out moment for first-time viewers, and is probably the main reason why people incorrectly interpret the movie as being a middle-finger to fans.
I think it goes far beyond mere insult. Like I said earlier forgiveness shouldn't be out of the question.
But it is a non-consensual action, one anybody would feel creeped out and used by (if they find out). Only nuance to me being the context that led to it happening.
Also, if you guys bitch about how you don't forgive him, fuck you, you weren't the victim. If the fictional character forgives the fictional character for their "crimes" against them they are forgiven, it's that simple.
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