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Postby Glor » Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:20 am

Not sure what you're talking about bud.

What I recall is poking fun at the "Misato offered Shinji sex" theory and you just flew off the handle.

From the eldomtom thread:

"Dude, I just gave you evidence that contradicted your claim, and all you can think of is "but this doesn't prove anything". If you aren't looking for proper, in-depth debate then you are in the wrong place. If you just want your little echo chamber telling you that your fanwank is perfect then get the fuck off here and go back to twitter. Jesus fucking christ that was the dumbest thing I read all day and I'm dealing with loopers in another thread."

Stuff like this is pretty typical for you, especially when the whole of that thread boils down to "I'm right and you're wrong" before you typed that tantrum post and locked the thread.

I assume EvaGeeks wants to be an open and welcoming place that encourages discussion and gently guides people away from less constructive conversation. That's all well and good, but I don't think they can actively pursue that with you as a moderator. You have a bad temper and get far too combative with people who hold a different interpretation from yours, or just generally with whoever happens to annoy you.

If anyone is being driven away from EvaGeeks, it's because of you. I only left the discord server when you started snapping at Felipe for something. I enjoy the server, but I don't need the shitty vibes you bring to it, and I suspect there are plenty of other users who feel the same.

But I anticipate nothing will change since the moderation team has consistently refused to hold you accountable for posts like the one quoted above.
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Postby Blockio » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:17 am

You know exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't expect you to stoop so low as to outright lie about events that you were part of; I get that you have a bone to pick with me, but despite my comment about increasingly losing my respect for you, I still expected better than that.
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Postby UrsusArctos » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:26 am

Blockio has apologized for his mistake and we have talked to him and asked him never to repeat that kind of behavior again. As far as the staff are concerned, his case is closed. Yes, Blockio has a temper, but he is also a dedicated moderator whom we know and trust, and who is unafraid to call out bad behavior for what it is.
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Additionally, I am familiar with the complaints about Glor on the Discord, and I am aware of the highly negative reputation he has developed, and his personal dislike for Blockio after being moderated on the Discord for poor behavior.

View Original PostGlor wrote:If anyone is being driven away from EvaGeeks, it's because of you. I only left the discord server when you started snapping at Felipe for something. I enjoy the server, but I don't need the shitty vibes you bring to it, and I suspect there are plenty of other users who feel the same.

But I anticipate nothing will change since the moderation team has consistently refused to hold you accountable for posts like the one quoted above.


These insinuations against Blockio are baseless, and so are the insinuations against the moderation team. I have ample evidence from the Discord users about your own behavior, Glor, and I consider everything you have said here to be in bad faith, taking advantage of Blockio's recent mistake to complain about him.

If we are going to act on your words, Glor, it will be against you. I advise you to drop the matter quietly now.


I have also had time to cool down from my initial anger at seeing Blockio targeted like this because I feel extremely protective of someone whom I called in to moderate the forum in a crisis situation, and I think I have been excessively harsh in criticizing Glor (whether or not the criticism was deserved) when the focus was on Blockio. And as emphasized, we have spoken to Blockio about his behavior. His language was excessive and he lost his temper, and we have also had a great deal of discussion about him.
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Postby Derantor » Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:17 pm

@Glor: You can rest assured that there are people calling Blockio out. Or rather, Zusuchan and me are doing that. Same goes for unprofessional replies like the ones seen above, but normally, those things are kept backstage - that's why it seems like nothing is done. But seeing that the feedback thread is not used to make that clear, but is instead abused by moderation to air their own grievances and threaten punishment to users who actually dare to complain, I think a public response is justified in this case, because that's exactly the unprofessional behaviour I (and other members of staff) tried to convince people not to engage in - to no effect so far, it seems.

So, to respond with something that should be said publicly, because it is true:

Blockio has apologized for his mistake and we have talked to him and asked him never to repeat that kind of behavior again. As far as the staff are concerned, his case is closed for now. Yes, Blockio has a temper, but he is also a dedicated moderator who is unafraid to call out bad behavior for what it is. We apologize again for our previously unprofessional attitude and strive to do better in the future.


Which of course sounds like an empty promise now, in light of the most recent responses by staff here.

Also, everybody please take note that me speaking out publicly against other members of staff is not an invitation or permission to air all personal grievances you have or bash the staff as a whole, and neither is this intended to start a civil war. As I said, there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on the public isn't privy to. So please continue to give feedback, and try to be polite about it, just like I hope staff will be polite and professional about it and actually take feedback to heart, instead of using this thread as a way to justify their actions and shoot down legitimate criticism. And just for the record, I stand by most of the recent moderation decisions and was part of the decision process for most of them, like for example the not well recieved temp-banning of BusterMachine4.

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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:25 pm

Hey guys is there a place on here we can make requests?

If so, can we get something similar to a like button for posts? Sometimes I just want let people know I agree with what they are saying but don't see the point of creating a post just to say I do.

Also, any chance of a phone app in the future?
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Postby Zusuchan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:05 pm

I don't know about a phone app, but I believe that would probably be both too tiresome and too costly.

I don't really like the "like button" idea, it makes the forum too reminiscent of Facebook and its "like culture" for me. I personally detest "like culture" due to how it breeds simplicity and I don't want it on this forum either.

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Postby Blockio » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:45 pm

Yeah, I agree to both. Attaching our existing emotes as reactions would be one thing (although I have no idea how plausible said thing is to do from a technical standpoint), but just a like counter would be severely detrimental to the overall quality of conversation in my opinion. At that point it's not anymore about making thoughtful statements, but rather about saying the things that most people will agree to.

As for the app - it has been brought up before, and unfortunately, the effort that would go into creating it and the maintenance is in no proportion to how useful it would be, not to mention the costs for the additional infrastructure and both Appstore and Google Play demanding ads, which we don't want on here.
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:06 pm

I'm pretty sure the phone app Tapatalk, which I've used with other forum software, requires a more recent version of this forum's software - which would be a big job for us to update... It is free for the server, though, in it's basic form, and no big deal to install in compatible software.

I've no idea about adding likes to this software - but my experience with them elsewhere leads me to suggest that they are probably best avoided in a forum context.
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Postby Kendrix » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:38 am

a) I am generally very glad that this place is NOT social media & still resembles the way more individual older-style internet;

Topic and so on are ultimately cultural conventions & I want to keep them that way.

As I rarely go into the administrative or off-topic Forums I only belatedly noticed that there was apparently some mass attack by pro-trump trolls & that maybe this might've caused the more charged atmosphere as of late, ugh must USA politics spill everywhere but this is our interconnected world cant have the good without some bad

b) I think most of the criticism is exaggerated but not all.

There's this whole "tumblr faction" (and I say this in love as someone who goes there often cause its less worse than the competition & has better fanart) who's just permanently conflated all old-school geek culture with the alt right segment thereof & they're gonna call elitism and toxicity on anything they feel smells of it. They also assume everyone here is a dude. ; Long story short, you cant please everyone

With that said I do think I recall some instances that seemed like dogpiling on someone

It's one thing if they keep devolving things into "Yes!" "no!" "yes!" "No!" exchanges of being done to it but I'd rather have someone come in with a not so solid argument & then develop it in discussion then being chased off before they can get to that point.

Maybe the problem isn't so much the "what" but the "how" - ie, a lot of the stuff that was cited here as delete worthy probably was but the use of mockery should probably still be reduced for the sake of the overall tone.

c) We really gotta avoid falling into/ avoiding any sort of 'default interpretation' that kills new creativity.
Let ppl float wacky ideas & new perspectives; Don't reflexively label any interpretation that references some romantic attachments as "ship discourse"

I think a lot of stuff including wiki articles could use to be more 'multiple option/interpretation friendly', (and I don't just mean Kaworu & stuff but like... EVA 00's soul) - when in doubt, list multiple possibilities.

Consider that we're talking about a medium that has repeatedly been describing as being deliberately ambiguous & information-overloady to create a bit of a CYA effect. (of course 'multiple things make sense' is a very different statement from 'any BS is possible')
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Tl; Dr - The last thing I'd want is to fundamentally change the nature of the forum etc. but maybe it would be good to keep tone & openness in the back of ppls heads.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:34 am

I used to like the idea of a "Like" button on the forum, but after having spent close to a month away from Facebook and my mental health really getting better as a result, I've since thought, "Nah, I don't need anything that looks like Facebook entering the forum's atmosphere."
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Postby shinryujimikihiko » Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:34 am

I am no one of standing on this forum but I will add my voice against any sort of "liking/upvoting/karma" or what you may call it. This sort of thing poisons rational discussion and reduces it into a popularity contest. It is one of the most insidious features of places like Reddit. Perhaps it would be acceptable if it could be limited to things like fanart posts that don't involve controversy and debate, but my intuition is that that is a soft and vague boundary that could not be enforced in a reasonable manner. Let's keep the social media hivemind tendencies far away from EvaGeeks.


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