You Never See Anything Just Once - NTE Edition

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby Reichu » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:07 am

As far as I'm aware, there's no thread specifically dedicated to collecting examples of parallels / mirroring of a primarily visual and/or situational nature. I notice new ones (new to me, anyway) on the regular and they tend to just get "lost" because there's nowhere on the forum to unload them. I don't have an extensive line-up prepared to start with; mostly, I'll just add things as I remember them, and everyone else feel free to pitch in examples you can remember.

NGE relied upon this technique -- I'm not sure what the proper name for it would be -- quite extensively, and of course it was brought back for NTE so that the work could reference both itself, NGE, and other works such as Nadia. Here, I figure it would be best to focus on specifically Eva-to-Eva juxtapositions (NTE-NTE or NTE-NGE).

First up is a brief sequence toward the end of Ha where Misato and Eva-01 are weirdly... coordinated, in terms of how these shots are framed, down to the way they move left to right within the frame on each iteration. The fact that Misato's shots are desaturated also disguises this a bit, but the two of them actually share an overall color palette during this scene. Purple, red, orange, black, white, pale blue, and so on. Why exactly is Misato being compared so directly to "Whore of Babylon" Eva-01? I feel like BlueBasilisk could do a much better write-up on the subject than me...

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The next one is also Misato-related, and pertains to the changing dynamic in her and Shinji's relationship.

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In Jo, they're standing side by side and body language is warm and relaxed. Misato is telling him that he's been a big help, and when she takes her sunglasses off, she establishes more casual terms for their relationship going ahead ("just call me Misato"). Things couldn't be much more different in Q. The two of them are standing far apart, and that distance only grows as the Hirnstamm Tower retracts into the anchoring plug. Misato removes her sunglasses not to open herself up to Shinji, but to unambiguously reveal to him her cold post-3I persona, the captain who has no interest whatsoever in Shinji's "help".

Here's another one, comparing a famous shot from EoE with a big moment in Q. Pretty sneaky. I'm a little iffy on the full implications here.

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Postby Giji Shinka » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:33 pm

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In both 1.0 and 3.0, Shinji is asking question(s) from his father, but in 3.0 Shinji does not appear to be resentful towards Gendo in this parallel and he just wants answers about the 14 year gap instead of anything related to their relationship like in 1.0.
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Postby ShinjiStranglesAsuka » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:48 pm

Stolen from an old thread

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Asuka steals Toji's role in more way than one in the rebuilds.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:17 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:First up is a brief sequence toward the end of Ha where Misato and Eva-01 are weirdly... coordinated, in terms of how these shots are framed, down to the way they move left to right within the frame on each iteration. The fact that Misato's shots are desaturated also disguises this a bit, but the two of them actually share an overall color palette during this scene. Purple, red, orange, black, white, pale blue, and so on. Why exactly is Misato being compared so directly to "Whore of Babylon" Eva-01? I feel like BlueBasilisk could do a much better write-up on the subject than me...

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Sure, I'll take a swing at this, quoting a conversation we had to start things off:
Before Shinji leaves, Misato admits to him that she's been projecting her desires onto him
Shortly after that, she's nearly killed by an Angel she's powerless to stop, followed by Unit 01's awakening.

"It has that kind of power?"

What we're seeing here is Misato projecting herself onto Shinji again. He's attained the power to do what he wants and he's wreaking havoc on the Angel that just minutes ago had her so helpless
When she yells for Shinji to do what he wants, it cuts back and forth between her and Unit 01, and they're framed almost identically.


My whole train of thought was that this is a direct representation of Misato projecting her own desires onto Shinji and how she views the Eva as an instrument of her vengeance (tying into something Ritsuko said to her earlier), perhaps even coveting the Eva's power. Misato and Shinji are compared to each other a few times across 1.0 and 2.0, and I think this is in no small part responsible for the big rift between them in 3.0. Shinji is a reflection of some of Misato's own desires and through him she sees the danger of that path.

But it's also interesting because of where it leads them the next time they meet. Reichu already showed the comparison between 1.0 and 3.0, with one being a growing bond and the other showing a widening gulf, but that's not all that's inverted. In 1.0, Misato is bringing Shinji to Nerv to be the pilot for Eva-01 because he's one of the very few people who can. That's completely flipped around in 3.0. He can't pilot Eva-01 anymore, and even if he could, she wouldn't let him because it's too dangerous.

Think back to the conversation Kaji and Misato have during their failed date, when they're discussing the Dummy System. Misato is very open about the fact that she doesn't like putting the Evas in the hands of a faceless and inscrutable machine that can't be interacted with, but when Kaji presses her, asking if she's fine using Children, she says that no, she hates that too. Quite the dilemma.

Wunder presents Misato with a third option, one which comes as a logical conclusion to these two threads. Misato hates using Children as pilots but doesn't want to trust a machine in their place, and she projects herself onto Shinji because him being one of the chosen Children means he can do what she can't.

Misato can take Eva 01's power for herself, and she does.
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Postby Giji Shinka » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:20 am

^ Man, that's a pretty big misunderstanding by Shinji in 3.0, he thinks she hates him for destroying the world that he may have not even destroyed in the first place, while Misato acts this way because of the post-3I war and not wanting Shinji to pilot because both him and Eva can be dangerous to himself and the world.

I also forgot to add that a similar parallel exists between Shinji and Gendo in 2.0 when Shinji is about to pilot Unit-01 against the 10th angel. This time Shinji is confident and willing to pilot the Eva, while in 1.0 he was not.

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Postby Rei IV » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:45 am

Holy shit, I didn't notice how the animation styles for 1.0/Jo and 2.0/Ha changed. And here I thought it was just Q/3.0 that went through a revamp in its animation.

I don't have any pictures to post but if someone could, I'd appreciate it. Shinji's introduction to the Eva cage with Unit-01 in Jo "overlooking" is "reenacted" in Q but with a absent Eva and Shin-chan and Rei Q just waking through like no big deal. It's his confirmation that 14 years have gone by, I think.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:41 pm

View Original PostGiji Shinka wrote:^ Man, that's a pretty big misunderstanding by Shinji in 3.0, he thinks she hates him for destroying the world that he may have not even destroyed in the first place

Well, that's not so much as misunderstanding as Kaworu mislead him and told him that's what happened.

That parallel you pointed out has been repeated in all three movies. I expect we'll see it one more time in Shin for a perfect four. :emogendo:
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Postby Giji Shinka » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:16 am

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Well, that's not so much as misunderstanding as Kaworu mislead him and told him that's what happened.

It's a misunderstanding based on false or incomplete information.

View Original PostRei IV wrote:Holy shit, I didn't notice how the animation styles for 1.0/Jo and 2.0/Ha changed. And here I thought it was just Q/3.0 that went through a revamp in its animation.

You mean the art style? It has never been 100% consistent, not even in the original series. Animation one the other hand has been pretty consistent across this movie series, while in NGE you have scenes like the Sahaquel fight that are somewhat decent and then you have EoE that has some of the best animation that still hold up.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:25 am

I'll have fun with this thread later because there are so many parallels and repeated imagery across the Rebuild but I'm busy at the moment and will just throw out something that came to me off the top of my head that corresponds to what we've seen of the Final Film so far:

At the start of 3.0 + 1.0 the heroes are essentially attacked by the very climax of 1.0.
NERV has bastardized Operation Yashima into a mobile automized weapon of destruction.

I don’t have it in front of me right now but I’m pretty sure when Shinji fires the rifle in 1.0 and when the Automized Weapon fires in 3.0+1.0 they use a couple of the same compositions only flipped. When Shinji fires he’s shooting screen left and when the Automated Weapon fires it’s going screen right.

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Postby robersora » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:13 pm

All I want is a big fat CRC interview in which Anno candidly talks about the intent of Kaworu's character, what his motivation was. Knowing that deciphering NTE's message will be a doozy.
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Postby Rei IV » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:31 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:At the start of 3.0 + 1.0 the heroes are essentially attacked by the very climax of 1.0.
NERV has bastardized Operation Yashima into a mobile automized weapon of destruction.

I don’t have it in front of me right now but I’m pretty sure when Shinji fires the rifle in 1.0 and when the Automized Weapon fires in 3.0+1.0 they use a couple of the same compositions only flipped. When Shinji fires he’s shooting screen left and when the Automated Weapon fires it’s going screen right.

Parallels! There was something about the scene that I thought was very reminiscent of the climax to Jo/1.0 and you pointed the obvious. Not only is the movie's climax the beginning of 3.0+1.0, but NERV (the "bad" one) is on the opposite side of where it once stood, WILLIE'S side, who are composed of former NERV members.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:20 pm

Here's an oldie but a goodie. I wish I could remember who made the original version:
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Postby IgRAzm » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:25 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Here's an oldie but a goodie. I wish I could remember who made the original version:
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That's pretty cool.

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Postby Sworzen » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:23 pm

What confirmed me it was intentional are the round red things on the hand backs as well as the small triangles under them.
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Postby ShinjiStranglesAsuka » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:25 pm

View Original PostSworzen wrote:What confirmed me it was intentional are the round red things on the hand backs as well as the small triangles under them.
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Wow nice catch. Holy crap.

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Postby Melkor » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:22 am

Something about those red circle things seemed familiar, and then I remembered that Mari has them too on her plug suit on the back of her hands. They start glowing when she activates Unit-02's Beast Mode during the battle with the 10th Angel.

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Postby Sworzen » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:39 am

View Original PostMelkor wrote:Something about those red circle things seemed familiar, and then I remembered that Mari has them too on her plug suit on the back of her hands. They start glowing when she activates Unit-02's Beast Mode during the battle with the 10th Angel.


Mari has two per hand, though. Also, even if they were red when inactive, they glow in green when initiating beast mode:
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:49 am

^ Moar fodder for my unsubstantiated "Mari is a miniaturized Evangelion Unit" pet theory.
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Postby Melkor » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:04 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ Moar fodder for my unsubstantiated "Mari is a miniaturized Evangelion Unit" pet theory.
(It is not head canon yet, but it's a pet theory that I'll feed until I'm bored with it.)


All the pilots would technically be mini Evas if the theory of them being the reincarnated versions of the four Adams turns out to be true. Speaking of Mari being a mini Eva, something I've always wondered, what's with that weird red thing on the chest of her plug suit? Like seriously, what is that thing? It looks like a core, and none of the other pilots have it on their plug suits.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:26 pm

Honestly, I don't know.

I'm telling you, dude, she's an Eva! That's her core!!!
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