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Postby Derantor » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:50 pm

Allright, I've searched as good as I could, but I didn't find exactly what I was looking for, so here goes my attempt at reconciling everything seen in EoE as best as I can. Just up front: Obviously, the earth didn't split open and neither do we have nuclear winter - so I'll just assume that those things didn't happen.

This is the Blast Radius caused by the explosion after which the Geofront is lifted from the earth. This is based off of the image of the rising Geofront and the display briefly seen, which shows that there is earth excavated around the Geofront by the explosion. Die Diameter is double that of the Geofront, which seems about right. The Image is from NukeMap, generated using a yield of 1600 kt and centering the explosion on Neo Tokyo 3. Given that the diameter of the geofront is 13,75km, and that the display mentioned earlier shows that the Geofront is cleard to at least two thirds its height, and that the only view we get of the Geofront and the crater beneath shows a clean edge, I assume that everything inside the orange circle is neatly chizzeled away, as if a ball-shaped drill was lowered down into the ground.

Given the sea level rise and general disturbances, the crater is connected to the ocean, at least from Odawara to Minamiashigara and possibly at the south-western end near Shimizu. That means that the crater left by the Geofront, and at least part of the crater left by the explosion which excavated it, is filled with seawater.

So, now that the easy part is out of the way, everything after this makes no sense whatsoever. If we assume that everybody returns closest to the point where they died (which would explain why Shinji and Asuka are in close proximity when they emerge from the waves), that means that they are on a beach somwhere on the edge of that circle. After all, they were almost perfectly at the center of the explosion when they died/were tanged. So the question now becomes: Where are they in One More Final?

We clearly see mountains and destroyed buildings in the Water in OMF, which suggest a City. Gotemba is out, it's been erased. The most obvious candidate would be Odawara, since it is depicted as still existing post 2I on the map of Tokyo 3, and likely has high-rise buildings. The other city is Shimizu. Neither of those have any beaches whatsoever, though, and the terrain is pretty rough. So we must assume that the Tsunami following Reis fall did something. Maybe the white sand is ground up Rei that was washed onto the shore.

Now, when GNR died, she squirted blood from her neck into orbit (at least thats what I assume that red ring is we see in OMF). The ring is in an roughly equatorial orbit, as seen in the zoom out from the earth befor OMF happens. We see it from the perspective of Shinji lying on the beach, at an angle. One possibility is that his head is pointing about 20-30 degrees north from the equator, in roughly west-north-western direction. But that would put him right at where Gotemaba once was, so, there shouldn't be any buildings in the water.

On the other hand, if his head is pointing 20-30 degrees south, east-south-east from the center of the explosion, which points at Manazuru. Still, there is no city inside of that, so again, no Buildings should be seen.

The most fitting city to explain what we see is still Minamiashigara, or Oi on the other side of the river, flooded after Third Impact. The white sand could be sediment from the ocean floor, dragged there by the inflow of water into the crater and deposited on the shore.

But if we assume that Shinji is indeed somewhere where Gotemba once was, which best explains the geometry of the ring and the moon, we run into another problem. That place is at 460 meters above sea-level, or 400 to 420 after Second Impact. Given the steepness of the crater walls, there is just no way for a beach to be there.

Eh ... So, yeah. Uhm. Hm. Where the fuck is Shinji?

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Postby Reichu » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:06 pm

At one point I attempted to figure out where the beach was. I gave up due to the orientation of Lilith's dropped arm -- it makes the combination of vistas, assuming they are all supposed to be from the same general area, impossible. If the shot with the arm were flipped, the problem would not exist, but I verified that the shot was not flipped in post-production or something -- it had been that way all along. I'll try to whip up a crude visual aid later, which will either confirm the weirdness I'm vaguely alluding to, or assure us all that no problem exists after all.

As an FYI: "One More Final: I Need You" is actually the secondary title of episode 26' in its entirety, rather than being the name of the final scene. Good illustration here of why this is actually important and not mere hair-splitting. (The secondary title cards for the two endings, ahem, complement one another.)

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Postby Derantor » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:04 pm

Edit: Thanks for the heads up regarding OMF, I was just using it as shorthand, since everybody seems to be doing that^^
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Postby Derantor » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:39 am

Sorry for double-post, but I feared that nobody would see an edit.

So, Reichu inspired me to try and come up with a landing place for Rei. Here are some pictures.
This time, I just tried to figure out where they are by looking at the beach itself and the coastline in the background. It's not pretty, though. There are clearly islands seen in the background when Shinji has his encounter with Asuka, Islands that don't really exist if my crater size is accurate. If the crater is smaller, as the missing inflow of water depicted in the second picture would suggest, the beach has to be further out to sea, to account for not being able to see Reis head in the final scene when looking out to the water. If we ignore Reis head, then theres an alternative place for the beach in the bottom left corner of the first picture.

Since all of that is rather dreary, I collected some images to help find another solution, mostly concerning Rei's size.
What I find most puzzling about all this is that we are clearly meant to assosciate the location with places we have seen before. The buildings in the water beyond the beach suggest the very first scene of the series, although there was no beach there. The landscape in front of Rei's falling head suggest the place where Shinji fought Unit 03. The gravemarkers look like they are placed in the destroyed landscape of Neo Tokyo 3, as it was in episode 24. The telephone poles evoke the very first scene of EoE - or the general Hakone area.

The absolute worst part of that is that the MP evas are there in the water in front of the beach. Firstly, the water seems very shallow - it barely covers their ankles. Secondly, the Evas are above the Geofront as it rises, and the Geofront rises straight up. Later, they fall straight down - at least the movement and orientation of that scene suggests they do. So... Shinji is right at the epicenter of the explosion. Which would be totally fine, if there was no explosion, no rising geofront, and no hole in the roof of it.

Which leaves really only one natural (and utterly dissatisfying) solution to explain it all: The rising of the Geofront, plus the explosion, were "unmade" by Lilith. I doubt she recreated the Black Moon beneath the ground, so there is just bedrock there now. The beach is ground up petrified Rei, her torso, to be exact. Her head and Arms are humongously large and lie out in the ocean. The shot of Shinji emerging is an optical illusion, suggesting closeness where there is none. He does not emerge from the sea, but from the lake of Lilith-Blood/LCL/Whatever that dripped over her stomach. The lake is not connected to the sea, since Neo Tokyo 3 was at an altitude of 680 meters if we assume 40 meters of sea level rise after second impact.

So, I would very much like to hear your input on this, Reichu (or anybody elses, please don't feel left out). I've got the feeling that I am missing something (other than the obvious fact that we are not supposed to try and make sense of all this, but I like my artsy-emotional-impactful-scenes to be grounded in reality).

Edit: Another tangent: The Red Ring can not be on an equatorial orbit. Otherwise we couldn't see the moon directly behind it.


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