Best Pair: What Eva Characters Do You Ship?

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Re: Best Pair: What Eva Characters Do You Ship?

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Postby FelipeFritschF » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:04 am

Let people have fun, Bloc-kun-io.

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Postby orcot » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:21 pm

Oh blockio I'm neither ignoring you nor talking directly to you in general.

I do wonder what you hope to achieve by this.
Personaly I think you take some of these pairings to seriously.
Eva/anime in general seems to have a problem with given the male lead a harem. It is in general good to think outside the box and try
pairings with people who are not/less emotionally scarred.

Sight, Lord knows I will miss little out if I would put you on my foe list.
My advice, try and be better then that, read what you write and wonder does this have content

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Postby orcot » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:20 pm

Gendo and ritsoku, like I wonder how that relationship worked.
My first idea would be that it's more a friend with benefits relation, but Ritsuko seemed to hurt and jealous abouth Rei. Yet never tried to be a foster parent for Rei in anyway or form. Rei calls her doctor akagi even tough she could say the women who cares for me (would be true in the medical sence).

In the manga she claims to be the person that makes sure she (Rei II) has a healty body then she snaps like why did she strangle Rei II? to hurt Gendo? Why did she stop)? Also if your emotionally distressed and looking for answers Rei responses could be interpreted as You can let other people (then Gendo) in your heart. (Not what she said but close enough if that is what you want/need to hear) a negative interpretation would be that she's yust as much a doll to the commander as she is.(volume 8 stage 56 jealousy).

Meanwhile Gendo seemed to be a monogamist. Being first with Yui then Naoko and then Ritsuki afther each death.

It seems like one of those couples that does not live together, Ritsuku gives the impression that her life is going nowhere especialy afther her cat dies, but her decision to blow up the spare Rei's is yust weird. She clearly want's more attention but she is very destructive in her ways and knows this. Gendo does punish her for that and the relation is pretty much over at this point.

But then still she want's to die together with Gendo in a murder suicide situation blowing up central dogma. Like what is up with that woman. Why spend that much time and energy in something that looked so casual. She could have yust quit her job and go back to her grandma (she is alive in the manga).

Seeing a alternative ending with a "will they miss me when i'm gone" followed by a YOLO I quit would be fun. With Giving Shinji the details abouth Rei origin.

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Postby Zusuchan » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:30 am

orcot:
Ritsuko wants/needs emotional connections, but no-one gives them to her. Judging from Naoko's comments in 21, she probably wasn't a very good mother and neglected her in favor of work. Gendo is someone who gives her that connection and actual romance on top, but it's obvious he doesn't care as much about her as Rei and ultimately even Shinji, which is the reason why she feels so jealous towards Rei especially as she even gets showings of love from Gendo. And as the series progresses, her mental state gets more and more worse-Kaji dies, Misato becomes distant and hateful, Gendo reveals his true colors more and more and so she ultimately reaches a breaking point leading her to kill all those disposable, endlessly replaceable Rei spares and shows it to even Shinji to further corrode his trust in his father and also break him (having correctly guessed that Gendo does actually care for Shinji, he's just afraid to show it). The idea that Ritsuko wants more of Gendo's attention is an interesting interpretation and possibly true, but it's by no means the most important factor that went into her decision.
Yet never tried to be a foster parent for Rei in anyway or form. Rei calls her doctor akagi even tough she could say the women who cares for me (would be true in the medical sence).

The jealousy/envy she feels towards Rei is probably too strong for that and it's not like Rei is exactly easy to communicate with.

Rei calls everyone formally, even Gendo and Shinji, the two people she's the closest to. There's no reason for her to refer to Ritsuko with anything else than her proper designation.
In the manga she claims to be the person that makes sure she (Rei II) has a healty body then she snaps like why did she strangle Rei II? to hurt Gendo? Why did she stop)?

The manga is something entirely different and famous for simplifying characters-Ritsuko is just another victim of that. Though her almost strangling Rei does make some sense considering her mental state at that point. And the reason she snapped and strangled is because of her mental deterioration, jealousy/envy towards Rei and complicated feelings towards Gendo. She stopped because Rei is still human (I believe she was telling the truth when referring to the clones in the basement as simple spares without any actual personality) and because she realized that she was doing the exact same horrible thing that her mother did. Also, please stop looking at things from the viewpoint of materialistic logic-saying that Ritsuko attempting to strangle Rei is strange because she's her doctor is basically inability to account for the complexity of human psychology.

Also, aren't we supposed to be talking about the TV series here? The manga is basically useless in these kinds of discussions.
Meanwhile Gendo seemed to be a monogamist.

I have no idea what logic you used to deduce that Gendo is a monogamist. People have relationships with other people after the deaths of their previous romantic partners all the time-none of this can be used to deduce that Gendo is a monogamist, especially since there's literally nothing that actually points to this possibility.
But then still she want's to die together with Gendo in a murder suicide situation blowing up central dogma.

Because she doesn't see in any point in living anymore but yet also hates Gendo, so wants to kill him and any chance of his plans succeeding. And the fact that when Casper refuses her commands, she doesn't even attempt to kill Gendo is a big indicator of her psyche-this final betrayal by what could be argued to be a representation of her mother is the thing that leads her to silent, painful acceptance of not just her impending death, but also the generally horrible state of her life. She is actually fucking broken at this point.
Why spend that much time and energy in something that looked so casual.

Because it wasn't casual to her. It was literally one of the most important human connections of her life and its ultimate destruction was the thing that finally threw her over the edge.

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Postby orcot » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Maya should have risked it.I like the quote from green book

the world is full of lonely people afraid to make the first move

should have been fun if someone said that to Maya it sounds a bit I'm 14 and this is deep but it kindof get's sad in the last episodes. Would not have changed the final outcome tough.

I have no idea what logic you used to deduce that Gendo is a monogamist. People have relationships with other people after the deaths of their previous romantic partners all the time-none of this can be used to deduce that Gendo is a monogamist, especially since there's literally nothing that actually points to this possibility.

It's difficult to see Gendo going casual. We don't really ever see him do that in the anime. Not even with Rei. But we even see fuyutsuki do sudoku or crosswords puzzles when their isn't much to do. To give their relation any meaning it would have been nice to see at least some chemistry

Also, aren't we supposed to be talking about the TV series here? The manga is basically useless in these kinds of discussions.

Yes and no the manga is actually pretty good and sadamoto was partially responsible for fleshing out the characters, it's definitly a story retold and no accurate translation but it doesn't have it's own subthreat, like the movies do for some reason.

Similar the Asuka scene only happens in the movie not in the original ending but can still be mentionend. Doesn't Asuka survive the original ending the attack on the geofront never happend in the TV series

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Postby Zusuchan » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:38 am

orcot wrote:
it would have been nice to see at least some chemistry

I guess this is just a difference in what we expected. Ritsuko is a supporting character and there's nothing about her or Gendo that would allow us to easily see some kind of chemistry-if they actually had something that could qualify as some. And Gendo not being casual is kind of one of his defining characteristics.
Yes and no the manga is actually pretty good and sadamoto was partially responsible for fleshing out the characters,

I'm not saying the manga isn't good (I have many problems with it and I do consider it a subpar adaptation with a lot of strange choices, but it's also unquestionably the best non-Anno Evangelion work and has some cool character moments), I'm just saying that as a different continuity and story, it can't really be used to discuss NGE/EoE. We wouldn't use Shikinami to discuss Soryu because we recognize they are similar, but different characters and it's exactly the same thing with characters from the manga. I also disagree with the fleshing out-Sadamoto may have done that more than Anno, but by doing so, he also strangely enough made a lot of characters far less multi-dimensional and robbed them of some psychological complexity.
Similar the Asuka scene only happens in the movie not in the original ending but can still be mentionend. Doesn't Asuka survive the original ending the attack on the geofront never happend in the TV series

EoE is of the same continuity as NGE. It's never been officially confirmed, of course, but that's pretty much what it is-it's a parallel ending to 25/26. It's like EoTV and EoE are the same story told from different viewpoints at different points of time.


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