Lemon Discussion Thread [try to keep it SFW~ish]

[Stillborn]

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Shinji would be cuckolded. You know it.

[Bagheera]

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Also, am I the only one who think Shinji would be into pegging? He's mega-submissive after all, and I reckon he'd prefer to have his partner be in control of the pace (which could apply to conventional sex as well, I suppose, although with greater difficulty). Plus, femdom is kinda hot.

A good chunk of the audience might like it, but Shinji himself? Doubtful. He's not really submissive at all outside of fan art; a submissive guy wouldn't got after Zeruel the way he did, and he wouldn't give as good as he got during the training sequence in ep 9, either.

Really, I think a discussion of "who should be in charge?" would result in a denial from both Children, followed by exploration of alternatives.

[amitakartok]

^ I personally have problems comprehending why anyone would find dom/sub hot. Why should there be a dominant side and a submissive side? Can't they just treat each other equally?

This almost squicks me out as much as women cooking their own placenta and sharing it with friends after they have a child does.

Not the same. Breast milk is and always was meant to be consumed. Though I do admit that Asuka's use for it is indeed... squicky. I may not put that in.


Eating placentas, though... Jesus. That's just as bad as scat. I mean, that's actual gorn. Keep that stuff the hell away from me. I'd rather read Modaetei doujins than that crap - and I once had a night terror about Modaetei.

[Bagheera]

^ I personally have problems comprehending why anyone would find dom/sub hot. Why should there be a dominant side and a submissive side? Can't they just treat each other equally?

It's complicated. Subs are often people with a lot of power/responsibility in real life, and they want to be able to give someone else control so they can just feel in their private life. Conversely the dom is often a giver, someone who wants to please, and goes through a lot of trouble to make sure his/her sub is pleased. The relationship's a lot more complex than it appears at first glance.

This is why Asuka would make a great sub, even though she has a dominant personality, and why Shinji would make a great dom -- he wants to please her, to make her happy, and she wants someone to take charge and be a man. Rommel gets this, which is why I appreciate Power Plays as I do. Neither is actually right, but it's nonetheless an accurate depiction of their personalities.

Eating placentas, though... Jesus. That's just as bad as scat. I mean, that's actual gorn. Keep that stuff the hell away from me. I'd rather read Modaetei doujins than that crap - and I once had a night terror about Modaetei.

This honestly puzzles me. I mean, it's really not my thing, but Modaetei actively and consistently degrades women in his works. How is eating a placenta even remotely on the same level? "I had a kid and want to celebrate that by sharing the stuff of life with my friends." How does that equate to mind control and breaking peoples' wills as you exploit them sexually?

I'm not saying it's not squicky, because it is (the comparison to scat is apt IMO), but man, that's a hell of a cognitive dissonance you've got there.

[amitakartok]

Rommel gets this, which is why I appreciate Power Plays as I do.

Um... have you seen his recent brainstormings on Darkscribes? Nowadays, it seems he's more interested in humiliating the sub than giving them actual power. Let me quote something he posted:

So going by the other thread I guess there's no love for a bald, pregnant Asuka?

​Seems a shame. Did some doggie pics of her like that too.

Yes, Rommel actually posted that not two months ago. And don't forget that he's an active contributor to Taboo Parallel, the most fucked up piece of fanfiction I have ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes on. His old works are good, make no mistake - but he doesn't seem to be that kind of writer anymore.

I mean, it's really not my thing, but Modaetei actively and consistently degrades women in his works.

Oh, I hate Modaetei too. VERY much so. But some things just sicken me, plain and simple.

And I'm saying that as the author of some very messed up shit. I'm not even sure whether I should (hell, even can without everyone here writing me off as a nutjob) publish those on AFF; all I dare say is that I seem to have a thing for incest and pregnancy. No rape, of course; quite the contrary. The pairings:

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Hikari and her sisters X their father
Shinji X Yui
Toji X Sakura

All these in one story.

[Squigsquasher]

Umm...

So anyway.

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Here's a question/game/experiment: can anyone think of a good setup for the legendary Asuka X Rei pairing (comedic/silly setups entirely welcome)?

[amitakartok]

^ I do, but it involves futanari.

[Squigsquasher]

^ I do, but it involves futanari.

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Proceed.

[Bagheera]

Yes, Rommel actually posted that not two months ago. And don't forget that he's an active contributor to Taboo Parallel, the most fucked up piece of fanfiction I have ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes on. His old works are good, make no mistake - but he doesn't seem to be that kind of writer anymore.

No comment on bald!Asuka (er, wtf?), but my understanding is that Rommel is an editor of, and not contributor to, Taboo Parallel. I remain perplexed as to why he would take on such a role (particularly given the nuance of Power Plays, and the fact that he's penning a sequel), but I'm just noting that taking on an editorial role is vastly different from penning the piece yourself.

And aren't you translating the work upon which it's based? That doesn't make you responsible for said work, but it does show that having your fingers in the pie doesn't make you responsible for said pie.

Umm...

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Here's a question/game/experiment: can anyone think of a good setup for the legendary Asuka X Rei pairing (comedic/silly setups entirely welcome)?

This is ridiculously easy. Asuka gets sent to Rei's apartment (to deliver class notes) instead of Shinji, notes the deplorable state of the girl's existence, and takes matters into her own hands on the basis of the fact that Rei is a pilot (i.e., she's a rival, and the Commander's pet, but she's still a pilot, and thus standards). So she and Rei wind up being roommates, and things proceed from there.

I've seen a few fanfics based on this very premise, so I'm not clear on why it's viewed as a holy grail or whatever.

[amitakartok]

And aren't you translating the work upon which it's based?

Not the same. If Yui wants to whore herself off, that's her decision. But forcing someone else into it? [b]NO FUCKING WAY.[//b]

That's why I'm not going to translate the Asuka sidestories of IT (which are almost triple the length of the original), plus TP has that angle covered. I've read the first chapter of the Asuka storyline, the first chapter of TP is an almost exact recreation.

[Bagheera]

Not the same. If Yui wants to whore herself off, that's her decision. But forcing someone else into it? [b]NO FUCKING WAY.[//b]

Dude, she coerced her own son into the mix. How is that anything close to alright?

That's why I'm not going to translate the Asuka sidestories of IT (which are almost triple the length of the original), plus TP has that angle covered. I've read the first chapter of the Asuka storyline, the first chapter of TP is an almost exact recreation.

Well, it's not like I'm not with you on that. TP offends me for all sorts of reasons. I'm just noting that there's a difference between editing and producing original content.

[amitakartok]

Dude, she coerced her own son into the mix. How is that anything close to alright?

Correction: she talked him into it. Or to be more exact, she kept deflecting his complaints and issues until Shinji gave up and decided "I'm definitely going to have sex with my mother. That's what I've decided." Yes, those are Shinji's exact words (inner monologue): "絶対に僕はこれから母さんとセックスしてやる。そう決心した". She did not ask or order him to do it, Shinji decided of his own free will that he wants to commit incest with his mother.

In TP, Asuka gets drugged, raped and blackmailed. That's on a whole different level and Shinji is not involved.

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Proceed.

Actually... it involves the entire teen cast, not just Asuka and Rei.

How much do you think it would change gender dynamics if all children born after Second Impact are born hermaphroditic? And I mean every single one. Girls and boys. Secondary sexual characteristics are the only real difference between genders now, aside from some chromosomal stuff.

It's not quite as simple as everyone having the same set of organs, though. Two particular things need to be pointed out, arising from anatomical reasons:

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are incapable of providing viable sperm. In a normal male body, the testes are located externally in the scrotum instead of safely being nestled inside the abdomen because the normal human body temperature is too high for proper spermatogenesis. The sperm is still formed but it won't mature properly. As the testes of all the children are located internally, if the subject wants to have children as the "male" half of the equation, he/she will have to resort to IVF.

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are incapable of birthing. While they have a uterus and ovaries, they do not ovulate due to lacking the necessary hormones. With embryo transfer and hormone therapy, they are capable of becoming pregnant but they still cannot carry it to term. Or to be more exact, they would die giving birth due to their male pelvis being too narrow for childbirth, resulting in the child getting lodged into the birth canal if they don't undergo a C-section.

[Bagheera]

Correction: she talked him into it. Or to be more exact, she kept deflecting his complaints and issues until Shinji gave up and decided "I'm definitely going to have sex with my mother. That's what I've decided." Yes, those are Shinji's exact words (inner monologue): "絶対に僕はこれから母さんとセックスしてやる。そう決心した". She did not ask or order him to do it, Shinji decided of his own free will that he wants to commit incest with his mother.

In TP, Asuka gets drugged, raped and blackmailed. That's on a whole different level and Shinji is not involved.

Well, look, I''m not about to defend TP, because I think it's awful. But I don't see how Yui talking her son into joining in is all that much better. I mean, he at least gets a choice, so it's a little less awful, but he's still fucking his mom, so c'mon.

And why is this even a thing given the huge number of choices for porn that don't involve violating someone or fucking your mom?

[Squigsquasher]

This is ridiculously easy. Asuka gets sent to Rei's apartment (to deliver class notes) instead of Shinji, notes the deplorable state of the girl's existence, and takes matters into her own hands on the basis of the fact that Rei is a pilot (i.e., she's a rival, and the Commander's pet, but she's still a pilot, and thus standards). So she and Rei wind up being roommates, and things proceed from there.

Hmm, I can see that working. I should note that idea down...

I've seen a few fanfics based on this very premise, so I'm not clear on why it's viewed as a holy grail or whatever.

From what little I've seen of it, it's very often done incredibly badly, and given their attitudes to one another in the show it takes a bit more talent than usual to do convincingly. The most infamous example of course being Hellstorm Evangelion II, though that admittedly was a fairly extreme example of shitty writing.

[amitakartok]

Well, look, I''m not about to defend TP, because I think it's awful.

I was talking about the original there, not TP. In TP, Shinji never makes a move on Yui because he has Mana (conniving bitch she is).

Mana's character is another massive alteration between IT and TP. In TP, Mana is a sadistic borderline-yandere who decided she wanted Shinji but saw Shinji had a thing for Asuka, so she decided to destroy Asuka out of pure vindictiveness.

In the original, Mana was just an elementary schooler who accepted Yui's offer of having Shinji provide hands-on sexual education for her. She has enough trouble maintaining her composure when being touched in an inappropriate way as it is, much less go out of her way to hurt an older girl; from what I can tell, she settles with simply dating Shinji in secret instead of trying to directly compete with Asuka and possibly making Shinji look like a pedophile.

I mean, he at least gets a choice, so it's a little less awful, but he's still fucking his mom, so c'mon.

And why is this even a thing given the huge number of choices for porn that don't involve violating someone or fucking your mom?

The way I see it, doing it with a person you lived your entire life with carries a degree of intimacy and trust no outsider can provide. That's the same rationale as the one behind stories where the protag scores with their almost-sibling childhood friend.

If it's consensual, of course. Nothing excuses rape.

Speaking of childhood friend... yesterday, I thought up a short lemon story that begins with the same setup as the ep26 AU sequence, except with Mayumi instead of Asuka and Shinji pulls her onto the bed to do her quietly in order to relieve his morningwood (while she's protesting that his parents are outside and might hear them).

Another Shinji/Mayumi idea I had is her recruiting him into helping her indulge in her exhibitionism fetish. Namely, by stripping off in the park while Shinji is taking photos, including one where she's snuggling against a tree trying to hide from a passerby (whom Shinji also includes in the frame when photoing that).

[ChaddyManPrime]

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At least Baggums isn't defending Date Rape or Special Delivery.

[amitakartok]

Oh, don't even get me started on those. I've read Date Rape years ago, it's TP levels of crap.

[Squigsquasher]

At the risk of breaking up the party, this thread is heading pretty dark places...

So, umm, can anyone recommend some decent comedic lemons (ala Nerv's Longest Day etc)?

[amitakartok]

The Asuka Trial series of Tengu no Tsuzura doujins.

[Guy Nacks]

Everyone should read Shinji's Nightmare Cataclysm at least once. It's like a right of passage.