[News] strange happenings of 2015

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Postby Trajan » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:16 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:It's hard living in the fifth largest economy in the world, isn't it. I mean, what purpose has wealth if not to help make things better for people? A little perspective would help a lot. And if some countries are less well placed than us to help (go on, compare life in Hungary with life in Syria right now), that's only more reason for us to step up.


Please don't put words into my mouth. Nowhere did I imply that life in Hungary of the Czech Republic is as bad as Syria. I'm just saying when your economy is struggling, taking in a bunch of refugees is going to add a lot of economic burdens. Most of the criticism I've read seems to be political, with many countries mad that the EU has essentially dictated what they have do. The EU was never sold as a political institution and has only morphed into that over time and with the general dilapidated economic state of Europe and the EUs perceived failures on that front, simply assigning quotas to countries sets a bad political precedent. It's only natural to want to help refugees but there are a lot of other issues that comes with granting large numbers of displaced people asylum.
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Postby pwhodges » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:29 pm

View Original PostTrajan wrote:Please don't put words into my mouth. Nowhere did I imply that life in Hungary of the Czech Republic is as bad as Syria. I'm just saying when your economy is struggling, taking in a bunch of refugees is going to add a lot of economic burdens.

I never intended to put words in your mouth; if anyone was in my mind as I wrote it was Nigel Farage rather than you. I was emphasising that even an economy being viewed as struggling is a relative matter - a "struggling" rich economy is still a rich economy.
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Postby NemZ » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:40 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:That's a total non sequitur. You don't need a common monetary policy to trade.


But establishing the Euro was the entire point, wasn't it? Without that what's the difference from international trade happening before the EU became a thing?
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Postby Chuckman » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:15 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Sorry, no. You need an actual person for that.


Can a machine not be a person?

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Postby Rosenakahara » Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:56 pm

^ Are we going to get nearly every cyberpunk media in existence in this thread now? Because the answer will have no end unlike in those media where it generally all ends in yes.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:12 pm

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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:58 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Can a machine not be a person?

Only if we assume that we don't develop a true AI, which by its very definition would be analogous to human intelligence. However, since people are talking about putting AI into sex gynoids, if we actually get AI, it would be very, very similar to a person.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:01 pm

View Original PostGob Hobblin wrote:Can't we all agree that we should just let a man love a vacuum cleaner the way God intended?


I do sometimes find myself thinking that Roomba has a fat ass.

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:25 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Can a machine not be a person?


Of course. But at that point you'll have to woo her just as you would any woman, and at that point we will (hopefully) not be selling them.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:34 pm

'course, at that point we start to get into questions of selling sentient beings, as well as whether or not it's ethical to program them to not mind being sold (and the ethics of such programming existing in the first place.) It's the realm of science fiction! Of course, that said, the easiest solution to that problem would be not to put AI in the gynoids, but rather a program that can emulate a human very, very well without actually having any kind of intelligence.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:39 pm

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote: Of course, that said, the easiest solution to that problem would be not to put AI in the gynoids, but rather a program that can emulate a human very, very well without actually having any kind of intelligence.


How would you tell the difference? Is there a distinction between intelligence and emulating intelligence?

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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:44 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:How would you tell the difference? Is there a distinction between intelligence and emulating intelligence?

The distinction is that one is sentient, and one is not. My calculator can multiply four 20-digit numbers without breaking a sweat, but that doesn't make it intelligent. Ideally, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference just from looking at a sentient gynoid v. one emulating intelligence just by looking at it or interacting with it. In my way of rationalizing and thinking about it, in order to give a gynoid AI, we have to know what consciousness is; presumably if we know this, all you would have to do in order to determine if something had consciousness or not would be to hook it up to a computer and check to see if it had an AI or if it was just an emulator.

All this is just the way I think about AI. I acknowledge that there are other ways about thinking about it.

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Postby NemZ » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:59 pm

Thread name updated to better fit what it's actually meant for now that there's more room... and also because "[news] news" seemed silly.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:56 pm

Strange and terrible, eh? I can grok that. Occasionally a nice thing happens-- but I guess one could argue that a nice happening is strange in and of itself, so I guess the title works for now...?

Selfie-taking attempts have caused more deaths than shark attacks in 2015.

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Postby pwhodges » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:44 am

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Postby robersora » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:30 am

I'm always astonished by my ability to empathize more with dogs than with humans.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:48 am

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:56 pm

Animals only have the right to live according to animal rights activists' fantasies of how they should live.

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Postby pwhodges » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:16 am

Sometimes a headline is just irresistible, regardless of the story:

London zoo monkey-keeper and meerkat-keeper 'fought over llama-keeper'
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