The Eva 3.0+1.0 Title

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Why do we assume Shin will have no conflict? We already have a whole preview promise us Unit 8+2 fighting basically everything all at once.

[Cookie H Wilson]

Why do we assume Shin will have no conflict? We already have a whole preview promise us Unit 8+2 fighting basically everything all at once.

Read the article, not the title, sorry if it was misleading, quoting from the article:

"Kishōtenketsu contains four acts: introduction, development, twist and reconciliation. The basics of the story—characters, setting, etc.—are established in the first act and developed in the second. No major changes occur until the third act, in which a new, often surprising element is introduced. The third act is the core of the plot, and it may be thought of as a kind of structural non sequitur. The fourth act draws a conclusion from the contrast between the first two “straight” acts and the disconnected third, thereby reconciling them into a coherent whole."

And:
"This same conception was later adapted into jōruri and kabuki, where the plays are often arranged into five acts according to the same rationales. Takemoto Gidayū, the great jōruri chanter, was the first to describe the patterns or logic behind the five acts, which parallel as well the five categories of Noh which would be performed across a day.[3]

He described the first act as "Love"; the play opens auspiciously, using gentle themes and pleasant music to draw in the attention of the audience. The second act is described as "Warriors and Battles" (shura). Though it need not contain actual battle, it is generally typified by heightened tempo and intensity of plot. The third act, the climax of the entire play, is typified by pathos and tragedy. The plot achieves its dramatic climax. Takemoto describes the fourth act as a michiyuki (journey), which eases out of the intense drama of the climactic act, and often consists primarily of song and dance rather than dialogue and plot. The fifth act, then, is a rapid conclusion. All loose ends are tied up, and the play returns to an auspicious setting.[3]"

From: [url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-kyū[/url]

This could be useful. Or not. ;)

[Nuclear Lunchbox]

Interesting theory. I can dig it as some good fanwankery.

[Bagheera]

So, "kyujo" corresponds exactly to the last act of the play? That settles that, then. Kyujo it is.

[TMBounty_Hunter]

The only thing that's settles far is:
Shin = used by Japan and more importantly by actual staff
Kyujo = internet nonsense

[Bagheera]

The only thing that's settles far is:
Shin = used by Japan and more importantly by actual staff
Kyujo = internet nonsense

I don't think it's nonsense, but thankfully we have a lot of options available to us. That means each of us can do as we like!

[robersora]

Well, if there's actually five acts in the traditional performance, 3.0+1.0 could also allude to the fact that it will be two movies, with credits in-between, kinda like EoE.

[Reichu]

+1 to TMB.

That means each of us can do as we like!

Not if we actually want to understand each other around here, we don't.

[Nuclear Lunchbox]

^Which was what I had in mind when I created this thread. It gets confusing, don't it?

[Reichu]

It gets confusing, don't it?

It'll be less so for the regulars who can sort of keep tabs on the variations being employed, but since forum regulars are not the only people who use this place, or will be visiting in the future, not having 50 different titles actively in use for the last movie can only be a good thing.

[tzigi]

Takemoto describes the fourth act as a michiyuki (journey), which eases out of the intense drama of the climactic act, and often consists primarily of song and dance rather than dialogue and plot..[3]"

Now that made me think... How about Peaceful Times? I know it's a long shot but the similarity in the description makes me wonder.

[Mr. Tines]

Not if we actually want to understand each other around here, we don't.

Which is why I will be sticking with the name Final for what has been long promised as the last of the Rebuilds, until such time it turns out that there might be a 5th movie (e.g. if there happens to be a Next Time Preview at the end of the next one).

[Bagheera]

Which is why I will be sticking with the name Final for what has been long promised as the last of the Rebuilds, until such time it turns out that there might be a 5th movie (e.g. if there happens to be a Next Time Preview at the end of the next one).

Fair point. If ease of communication is the issue there's no point in changing established convention.

[pwhodges]

Simply saying what it is will continue to be correct whatever: the next film. Or the final film, given that we have no reason to suppose that the long advertised plan for four films has been changed (or that Shinji could survive another round of being raised up and knocked back down!).

[Merkaba]

+1 to TMB.


Not if we actually want to understand each other around here, we don't.

I have faith that the vast majority of people who come here will be smart enough to understand what is being said.

Also, be kinder to Bags. It seems like every time I jump on here lately, you're picking fights with him.

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

As neat as the Kyujo idea is, I still think that we’re extremely ill-informed as to the actual nature of Shin.

[pwhodges]

Also, be kinder to Bags. It seems like every time I jump on here lately, you're picking fights with him.

As far as I'm aware Bags and Reichu have always been at loggerheads - it's how they show their mutual love and respect, I guess.

But I've learnt as much about Eva from them as from any half-a-dozen other people.

[Sicarius VI]

http://www.reddit.com/r/evangelion/comments/2fljmj/a_theory_regarding_the_3010_title_from_the_tv/

anybody read this?

This definitely makes a lot of sense, considering what the preview of 3.0+1.0 says as well, doesn't mean that there won't be any fighting(because there will be).

Man, it really does suck that we have nearly no information on 3.0+1.0(excluding the title and what is said in the preview which people love to just ignore). This is the reason why speculation that has a possibility of being far off like this(according to others in this thread) spawns in the first place.

@FreakyFilmFan4ever- "As neat as the Kyujo idea is, I still think that we’re extremely ill-informed as to the actual nature of Shin."

Yea we are very uninformed of the nature of Shin, almost the whole sub-thread of 3.0+1.0 is all speculation, but it's all we have until we get more of an announcement/news.

As for theory stated above well, in the preview they say really two things first that Shinji's destination will show him hope, secondly that Wille and the Wunder fight to stop "Final Impact." With Kyūjo being translated to relief/aid/rescue the title would make sense for the part of 3.0+1.0 that involved Shinji finding hope. Not so much for the fighting part of 3.0+1.0, but as I would have it, I just wanted to back up Kyūjo with the preview that is constantly ignored.

[Cookie H Wilson]

Just wanted to share what I found around: the Kyujo thing and the 5 acts of the nō drama given the fact that the 4th movie title is composed itself of two different "titles" summed together.
I don't think that a "reach" like these two is deleterious to the thread. Until we get real news. In the end we're here also to fanwank something during the waiting time
Didnt mean to add confusion

[Nuclear Lunchbox]

With any luck, we'll have some more information about Shin before the end of the year. I think somebody posted somewhere about different events that Anno was scheduled to make appearances at.