Mark.09 - Seele Type Adam's Vessel [Split]

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Mark.09 - Seele Type Adam's Vessel [Split]

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:06 pm


[Split from "What are the "Adams"?". - OMF]

Well here's something interesting that got buried under the NTV broadcast blog posts

http://neweva.blog103.fc2.com/blog-entry-3251.html

The Sega Mark.09 figure is titled

「第1のアダムスの器(移行中間形態)ゼーレ仕様」

Specifically labeling it as the first Adams' Vessel
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Postby ElMariachi » Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:52 pm

So that mean that there is three more of these fuckers around? :cringe:
And coincidentally we have three pilot who don't have an Eva anymore!

More seriously, maybe the three other were/are Units 10, 11 and 12, it would stand to reason that SEELE weaponized the fours Vessels into Evas consecutively.

Now the question if there is really three other ADAM's vessels and they weren't destroyed during the timeskip, then where they are?
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:08 pm

Well, for all we know this is Wille's designation of how many they've encountered total. It could be more than 4. A vessel could break but the thing its made to contain still exist.

移行中間形態 ("Midway through switching forms?" Wait, is this literally kanjispam for THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!)

and

ゼーレ仕様 (Seele type)

Both elaborate on the specificity of that particular vessel, so maybe there will be.... a billion or so more? Maybe MP Mark.06s from the preview are all made as vessels and seek a chunk of the Adam to complete themselves? Would save on the programming if they're driven by instinct. I could easily see them being called Nerv type Adams vessels in their first form, and maybe as few of them succeed they become something more?
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Postby ElMariachi » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:21 pm

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:移行中間形態 ("Midway through switching forms?" Wait, is this literally kanjispam for THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!)

Wait, so there's still another form after the nigh invincible angry black dude form shooting nuclear eyebeams!? :bigeyes:
If it's WILLE the enemies of the eventual remaining ones, then they're gonna suffer, a lot.

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:ゼーレ仕様 (Seele type)

Well at least we now have the confirmation that Mark.09 was built by SEELE.

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:Both elaborate on the specificity of that particular vessel, so maybe there will be.... a billion or so more? Maybe MP Mark.06s from the preview are all made as vessels and seek a chunk of the Adam to complete themselves? Would save on the programming if they're driven by instinct. I could easily see them being called Nerv type Adams vessels in their first form, and maybe as few of them succeed they become something more?

So the MP-Evas are made from the same technology that served to create Mark.09? Well that's a possibility, I suppose they'll be cheaper copies compared to Mark.09, or else WILLE doesn't stand a fucking chance in hell.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:48 pm

The four so called Adams we see are either GNRs that for some reason show their cores after absorbing Adam, Unit 01s, or an odd combination of Adam/Lilith that actually show attributes of both.
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Postby Jäeger » Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:46 am

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:The four so called Adams we see are either GNRs that for some reason show their cores after absorbing Adam, Unit 01s, or an odd combination of Adam/Lilith that actually show attributes of both.


And maybe thre is another another option : they are just.....ADAMS. And, correct me If I'm wrong, we've seen three of them turned into almost identical EVAs (01,06,13)
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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:41 am

^
It's doubtful EVA-01 is a repurposed ADAM, according to Mari, they can't raise an AT Field (which is why EVA-13 needed the RS Hoppers to defend itself), and Unit 01 can do it. It's possible that like in NGE, it was made from Lilith's flesh, since in Rebuild too she have her lower body missing (which was used to "build" EVA-01 in NGE)
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Postby Jäeger » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:48 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:^
It's doubtful EVA-01 is a repurposed ADAM, according to Mari, they can't raise an AT Field (which is why EVA-13 needed the RS Hoppers to defend itself), and Unit 01 can do it. It's possible that like in NGE, it was made from Lilith's flesh, since in Rebuild too she have her lower body missing (which was used to "build" EVA-01 in NGE)


Good point but IMO there is no doubt about 06 and 13 :they are refurbished adams.

Talking about 01, that 3rd eye, those wings and thatt halo still during Near 3I intrigue me......

IMO there no doubt that 2nd impact adams were just adams, and there is not even single hint that merging or something like that was implied.
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Postby Bagheera » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:31 am

You left out the only one specifically called out as an Adam: the Mark 09. Well, it was called an "Adam's Vessel", but IMO that's just admitting the Adam has been turned into something else. But anyway, we're speculating with the Mark 06 and Eva 13, but we're sure about the Mark 09. And those three Evas are not like Unit 01.

Me, I think 2I occurred because the fourth Adam blew up, meaning Unit 01 is a copy of Lilith while the other three are repurposed Adams.
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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:23 am

Seriously, Mark.09 is so weird compared to everything else that it can be a category of its own, Mari said that Mark.09 was an ADAM's Vessel when she blew off Mark.09's head, hinting that there are or were others like it, if it was one of the four ADAMs that was repurposed like EVA-13, she would had plainly said that it was "one of the surviving ADAMs".
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Postby Jäeger » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:37 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:You left out the only one specifically called out as an Adam: the Mark 09. Well, it was called an "Adam's Vessel", but IMO that's just admitting the Adam has been turned into something else. But anyway, we're speculating with the Mark 06 and Eva 13, but we're sure about the Mark 09. And those three Evas are not like Unit 01.

Me, I think 2I occurred because the fourth Adam blew up, meaning Unit 01 is a copy of Lilith while the other three are repurposed Adams.


of course, It's 2I from NGE X 4, and they have developed a new nature for EVAS adapted to this new continuity. For me, the easiest answer is the most accurate.

According to CRC, 06 is the Adam sent to the moon by a blood geyser, doesn't it???.

Still, the way EVA 01 reacts in 3I must meant something related to adams. And that 3rd eye...

Uhmmm for me Mark 09 is the great mistery, I really have no suggestion about what an Adam's Vessel could mean
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Postby Bagheera » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:01 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Seriously, Mark.09 is so weird compared to everything else that it's be a category of its own, Mari said that Mark.09 was an ADAM's Vessel when she blew off Mark.09's head, hinting that there are or were other like it, of it was one of the four ADAMs that was repurposed like EVA-13, she would had plainly said that it was "one of the surviving ADAMs".


The fact that there are probably others like it is what suggests it is, in fact, an Adam.
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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:21 am

Oh hai!, missing numbers 10, 11, 12?
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Postby Bagheera » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:32 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:Oh hai!, missing numbers 10, 11, 12?


And 7. I'll bet you a Euro they're all evas with the "Unit" designation, since they haven't been mentioned even in passing.
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Postby pwhodges » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:55 am

Yes, I remembered 7 later. I have no theory for that.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:15 am

Was Unit 01's "third eye" identified as such by the CRC or some other supplement? That always looked like the glowing ring(s) around the helmet's horn to me.

Edit- So 13 and the Mark.06 are mostly confirmed for Adams, and the Mark.09 is a "vessel." It could have a piece of an Adam inside it, like the Angel Carriers in Anima, but I wonder if it might be a vessel in the same sense the original Evas were: a man-made vessel body that's playing host to the soul of an Adam, maybe one that exploded, caused Second Impact, and sent its comrades on trips to Japan and the Moon. That could explain why it's so weird even by Eva standards.

There's another Adam candidate that might have been overlooked too: the now-destroyed Eva 04. With no mention of S2 engine development in Rebuild, it is a little suspicious that it's still a testbed for new Eva tech and the Mark.06 rolls into action not even a week later. Plus, the explosion it creates has ragged concentric rings, like the ones at the edge of Unit 01's halo.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:03 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:Oh hai!, missing numbers 10, 11, 12?

View Original PostBagheera wrote:And 7. I'll bet you a Euro they're all evas with the "Unit" designation, since they haven't been mentioned even in passing.

Could be that these missing ones are just regular Evas, or else we would end with more "special ones" made from ADAMs and whatnot than regular models.

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View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Was Unit 01's "third eye" identified as such by the CRC or some other supplement? That always looked like the glowing ring(s) around the helmet's horn to me.

I've seen an exposition of sketches in Japan Expo Paris, and that "Third Eye" is actually its Crown Chakra glowing, if you look closely at Unit 01 when it's in its Radiant Giant form, you can see the other chakras glowing too.


View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:There's another Adam candidate that might have been overlooked too: the now-destroyed Eva 04. With no mention of S2 engine development in Rebuild, it is a little suspicious that it's still a testbed for new Eva tech and the Mark.06 rolls into action not even a week later. Plus, the explosion it creates has ragged concentric rings, like the ones at the edge of Unit 01's halo.

Ritsuko do mentions that a new type of energy generator was being tested on 04, it's in the reunion with Misato and the rest of NERV staff just after 04 blew up.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:07 pm

The Adams are humans that accidentally stumbled into a microverse. Everything in NTE is actually really tiny.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:40 pm

@ El

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Postby Monk Ed » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:44 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:You left out the only one specifically called out as an Adam: the Mark 09. Well, it was called an "Adam's Vessel", but IMO that's just admitting the Adam has been turned into something else.

I remember reading elsewhere the suggestion that the reason it's called the "Adam's Vessel" is because it is in fact the original core of the Wunder. It is called the Wunder's original master or something like that, and is made entirely of core. But then, so is Eva-01 apparently, and they were able to use Eva-01 as the Wunder's new core, as if the two must be the same kind of thing or at least interchangeable in this way.

I never thought of that before -- does this mean that anything we suppose Mark.09 to be, we should suppose Eva-01 to be as well? Be it an Adam or something else.
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